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Re: "submersible" ID, please.

Post by Don't Panic » Sun Jan 03, 2010 6:49 pm

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Gawdzilla wrote: If it's original I'd agree with you. I don't know of Merkin wet-subs from The Big One.
It might be a replica?
First possibility on the list.
Second is some bizarre chain of events that landed a Brit sinker in a Florida yard.

I'll go with the first one by default.
The UK and the US shared a lot of tech during WWII, I seem to recall that a couple of jet engines made their way over the pond in the latter stages of the war, what are the odds that the DOD or more specifically OSS wanted a look at a few of these at some point.
And from the, say, Jacksonville Naval Yard it gets to Leroy's garage?
Hmmm, that does remain a mystery, it looks fairly beat up though, like it spent a few years underwater.
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Re: "submersible" ID, please.

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Jan 03, 2010 6:50 pm

DP wrote:Hmmm, that does remain a mystery, it looks fairly beat up though, like it spent a few years underwater.
Leroy knows where it was sunk after the war, and after a few decades Leroy salvages it?
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Re: "submersible" ID, please.

Post by Don't Panic » Sun Jan 03, 2010 6:54 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:
DP wrote:Hmmm, that does remain a mystery, it looks fairly beat up though, like it spent a few years underwater.
Leroy knows where it was sunk after the war, and after a few decades Leroy salvages it?
I was thinking more like a big ass hurricane blows through there a few years ago and dredges this thing up off the floor of the gulf of Mexico.
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Re: "submersible" ID, please.

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Jan 03, 2010 6:56 pm

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DP wrote:Hmmm, that does remain a mystery, it looks fairly beat up though, like it spent a few years underwater.
Leroy knows where it was sunk after the war, and after a few decades Leroy salvages it?
I was thinking more like a big ass hurricane blows through there a few years ago and dredges this thing up off the floor of the gulf of Mexico.
I don't see it rolling on that canopy and looking like that.
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Re: "submersible" ID, please.

Post by Don't Panic » Sun Jan 03, 2010 7:03 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:
DP wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:
DP wrote:Hmmm, that does remain a mystery, it looks fairly beat up though, like it spent a few years underwater.
Leroy knows where it was sunk after the war, and after a few decades Leroy salvages it?
I was thinking more like a big ass hurricane blows through there a few years ago and dredges this thing up off the floor of the gulf of Mexico.
I don't see it rolling on that canopy and looking like that.
Good point, Salvaging it after the war doesn't sound likely though, sold off as scrap after the navy finished looking it over?
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Re: "submersible" ID, please.

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Jan 03, 2010 7:07 pm

DP wrote:Good point, Salvaging it after the war doesn't sound likely though, sold off as scrap after the navy finished looking it over?
From experience my guess is they had at least two, and one sank, which evoked a shrug and "let's get on with it." A glorified (and redundant) torpedo wouldn't call for a major salvage operations. Still, the scrap theory would account for the condition as I'd expect worse from a few decades of salt water.
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Post by Don't Panic » Sun Jan 03, 2010 7:11 pm

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DP wrote:Good point, Salvaging it after the war doesn't sound likely though, sold off as scrap after the navy finished looking it over?
From experience my guess is they had at least two, and one sank, which evoked a shrug and "let's get on with it." A glorified (and redundant) torpedo wouldn't call for a major salvage operations. Still, the scrap theory would account for the condition as I'd expect worse from a few decades of salt water.
60 years in the Atlantic would probably have dissolved that little boat, anyone you know in the service who might be able to find out if there were a few of those floating around the gulf in the 40's?
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Re: "submersible" ID, please.

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Jan 03, 2010 7:13 pm

DP wrote:
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DP wrote:Good point, Salvaging it after the war doesn't sound likely though, sold off as scrap after the navy finished looking it over?
From experience my guess is they had at least two, and one sank, which evoked a shrug and "let's get on with it." A glorified (and redundant) torpedo wouldn't call for a major salvage operations. Still, the scrap theory would account for the condition as I'd expect worse from a few decades of salt water.
60 years in the Atlantic would probably have dissolved that little boat, anyone you know in the service who might be able to find out if there were a few of those floating around the gulf in the 40's?
Yeah, but he's in Mexico right now. The bastard.
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Post by Don't Panic » Sun Jan 03, 2010 7:17 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:
DP wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:
DP wrote:Good point, Salvaging it after the war doesn't sound likely though, sold off as scrap after the navy finished looking it over?
From experience my guess is they had at least two, and one sank, which evoked a shrug and "let's get on with it." A glorified (and redundant) torpedo wouldn't call for a major salvage operations. Still, the scrap theory would account for the condition as I'd expect worse from a few decades of salt water.
60 years in the Atlantic would probably have dissolved that little boat, anyone you know in the service who might be able to find out if there were a few of those floating around the gulf in the 40's?
Yeah, but he's in Mexico right now. The bastard.
You check for declassified files relating to mini subs or covert naval delivery vehicles from that era?
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Jan 03, 2010 7:19 pm

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Gawdzilla wrote:Yeah, but he's in Mexico right now. The bastard.
You check for declassified files relating to mini subs or covert naval delivery vehicles from that era?
I know the files to check, it's just a matter of getting them.
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Post by Don't Panic » Sun Jan 03, 2010 7:24 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:
DP wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:Yeah, but he's in Mexico right now. The bastard.
You check for declassified files relating to mini subs or covert naval delivery vehicles from that era?
I know the files to check, it's just a matter of getting them.
Most stuff from that era should be available by now, shouldn't it?

Even stuff that was FEO should be open after 65 years.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Jan 03, 2010 7:27 pm

DP wrote:Most stuff from that era should be available by now, shouldn't it?

Even stuff that was FEO should be open after 65 years.
Yeah, I can get it, but it would have to be mail to me from D.C. And I wouldn't want it to sit in the Post Office for a week.
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Post by Don't Panic » Sun Jan 03, 2010 7:29 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:
DP wrote:Most stuff from that era should be available by now, shouldn't it?

Even stuff that was FEO should be open after 65 years.
Yeah, I can get it, but it would have to be mail to me from D.C. And I wouldn't want it to sit in the Post Office for a week.
If only we knew someone living in D.C. :eddy:
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Jan 03, 2010 7:35 pm

DP wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:
DP wrote:Most stuff from that era should be available by now, shouldn't it?

Even stuff that was FEO should be open after 65 years.
Yeah, I can get it, but it would have to be mail to me from D.C. And I wouldn't want it to sit in the Post Office for a week.
If only we knew someone living in D.C. :eddy:
He'd have to pull more strings than he'd want to, I fear.
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Re: "submersible" ID, please.

Post by Don't Panic » Thu Dec 30, 2010 2:47 am

Major dredge, did you ever get an id on this thing?

If not, look at Italian mini subs, called the miale, or similar, translates as pig.

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