Remember, remember, the Fifth of November...

[amused]

http://www.miskeptics.org/2010/11/who-w ... s-anyways/

Remember, remember the Fifth of November,
The Gunpowder Treason and Plot,
I know of no reason
Why the Gunpowder Treason
Should ever be forgot.
Guy Fawkes, Guy Fawkes, t’was his intent
To blow up the King and Parli’ment.
Three-score barrels of powder below
To prove old England’s overthrow;
By God’s providence he was catch’d (or by God’s mercy*)
With a dark lantern and burning match.
Holla boys, Holla boys, let the bells ring.
Holloa boys, holloa boys, God save the King!
And what should we do with him? Burn him!
A penny loaf to feed the Pope
A farthing o’ cheese to choke him.
A pint of beer to rinse it down.
A faggot of sticks to burn him.
Burn him in a tub of tar.
Burn him like a blazing star.
Burn his body from his head.
Then we’ll say ol’ Pope is dead.
Hip hip hoorah!
Hip hip hoorah hoorah!

[Coito ergo sum]

[Rum]

I'm all for banning the fucker. My dogs are terrified tonight.

[Jason]

Do y'all wear Guy Fawkes masks in celebration?

[Rum]

Nope. Big fuckoff piles of wood being to burnt and fireworks being let off and a bunch of kids who have no idea why we do it.

[Coito ergo sum]

Does Blighty still celebrate the fact that the King survived?

In pop culture, a la, V for Vendetta and the Occupy Wall Street movement, etc., have come to view Guy Fawkes as the hero. However, Guy Fawkes celebrations celebrate the failure of the plot, and the execution of Fawkes, among others.

In the US, this day was never celebrated -- but in pre-Revolutionary times, colonists, mainly in Boston, imported the holiday, but changed it to Pope day, where they burned effigies of the Pope. LOL

[cronus]

Amazing how the common people knew all about Roman Catholics even back then. Dirty fuckers.

[Coito ergo sum]

And, that side being the side that wants to blow up the legislative body and the head of state....

[Rum]

Does Blighty still celebrate the fact that the King survived?

In pop culture, a la, V for Vendetta and the Occupy Wall Street movement, etc., have come to view Guy Fawkes as the hero. However, Guy Fawkes celebrations celebrate the failure of the plot, and the execution of Fawkes, among others.

In the US, this day was never celebrated -- but in pre-Revolutionary times, colonists, mainly in Boston, imported the holiday, but changed it to Pope day, where they burned effigies of the Pope. LOL

No - he isn't even an anti-hero here. The celebration seems part of the unconscious life of England now. Most young people would not see the significance of the battle between the Churches and what it finally meant for us constitutionally.

[jaydot]

the cat's a bit alarmed by all the noise. for a country supposedly in recession, double dip at that, there appears to be plenty lolly to send up in a blaze of smoke and noise.

[Rum]

the cat's a bit alarmed by all the noise. for a country supposedly in recession, double dip at that, there appears to be plenty lolly to send up in a blaze of smoke and noise.

You must have missed the news. We had 'growth' last quarter. Must have been all those flame carriers people had to make for the Lympics.

My dogs are in a hell of a state.

[Coito ergo sum]

Does Blighty still celebrate the fact that the King survived?

In pop culture, a la, V for Vendetta and the Occupy Wall Street movement, etc., have come to view Guy Fawkes as the hero. However, Guy Fawkes celebrations celebrate the failure of the plot, and the execution of Fawkes, among others.

In the US, this day was never celebrated -- but in pre-Revolutionary times, colonists, mainly in Boston, imported the holiday, but changed it to Pope day, where they burned effigies of the Pope. LOL

No - he isn't even an anti-hero here. The celebration seems part of the unconscious life of England now. Most young people would not see the significance of the battle between the Churches and what it finally meant for us constitutionally.

So, most folks don't even know that the holiday celebrates Fawkes being captured, tortured, hanged, drawn and quartered (and I think his head put on a spike on a bridge)? LOL

[laklak]

There are a hell of a lot of people over here who couldn't tell you what the 4th of July represented if you put a gun to their head. Or what the Civil War was about, or who our allies were in WWII. They simply don't teach it any longer. I remember my daughter coming home from school in about the 6th grade, saying "I'm sure glad we won the Civil War".

You live in Florida, child, we were the third state to secede.

[Rum]

The 5th November feels a very minor event in our history from this distance. There isn't a holiday associated with it or anything like that. I think it has also been downplayed a bit because sectarianism is not encouraged given the long and bloody Catholic/Protestant history in these isles. I suspect it has only survived as some sort of pagan thing to do with burning wood fallen from the trees in the Autumn winds. For all I know there may even have been an ancient autumn event of some kind. It would fit.

The 4th July is iconic as a date (excuse the use of that word) in comparison.

[Coito ergo sum]

There are a hell of a lot of people over here who couldn't tell you what the 4th of July represented if you put a gun to their head. Or what the Civil War was about, or who our allies were in WWII. They simply don't teach it any longer. I remember my daughter coming home from school in about the 6th grade, saying "I'm sure glad we won the Civil War".

You live in Florida, child, we were the third state to secede.

Yes, I know that. But, we're stupid Merkins. We're not expected to know. I would think the much smarter Brits would know what their 400 year old holidays are based on ....