Computers are better than teachers.

User avatar
Blind groper
Posts: 3997
Joined: Sun Mar 25, 2012 3:10 am
About me: From New Zealand
Contact:

Computers are better than teachers.

Post by Blind groper » Fri Jan 18, 2013 1:51 am

I am reading Dr. Peter Diamandis book "Abundance".

He comments on an experiment carried out in Africa. A computer was made available to a few impoverished children, who did not go to school. The computer was connected to the internet. No instructions given on how to use it. A few months later, the kid's progress was measured. The children 'playing' with the computer were learning several times as quickly as the ones going to school.
For every human action, there is a rationalisation and a reason. Only sometimes do they coincide.

User avatar
Gawdzilla Sama
Stabsobermaschinist
Posts: 151265
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 12:24 am
About me: My posts are related to the thread in the same way Gliese 651b is related to your mother's underwear drawer.
Location: Sitting next to Ayaan in Domus Draconis, and communicating via PMs.
Contact:

Re: Computers are better than teachers.

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Jan 18, 2013 1:54 am

Lovely, but what about long term learning. Would the kids voluntarily find and use programs that would teach them calculus?
Image
Ein Ubootsoldat wrote:“Ich melde mich ab. Grüssen Sie bitte meine Kameraden.”

User avatar
orpheus
Posts: 1522
Joined: Fri Jun 12, 2009 12:43 am
About me: The name is Epictetus. Waldo Epictetus.
Contact:

Re: Computers are better than teachers.

Post by orpheus » Fri Jan 18, 2013 2:00 am

There are a huge number of factors that can seriously hamper a teacher's effectiveness. What was the school like? How many students in each classroom? What kind of administrative support and materials did the teachers have? Etc. And even in the best of circumstances, teachers vary. Some are excellent, some are lousy - just like any other profession. In this situation, it sounds like the most one could claim is that those children learned more from that computer than the particular teacher or teachers at that particular school.
I think that language has a lot to do with interfering in our relationship to direct experience. A simple thing like metaphor will allows you to go to a place and say 'this is like that'. Well, this isn't like that. This is like this.

—Richard Serra

User avatar
Blind groper
Posts: 3997
Joined: Sun Mar 25, 2012 3:10 am
About me: From New Zealand
Contact:

Re: Computers are better than teachers.

Post by Blind groper » Fri Jan 18, 2013 2:07 am

The section of the book is too complex for me to restate it well. The experiment I mentioned was just the beginning. A number of other, and similar experiments were also carried out, including some in the USA. It appears that kids simply playing with computers is a deeper and richer learning experience than school.
For every human action, there is a rationalisation and a reason. Only sometimes do they coincide.

User avatar
Gawdzilla Sama
Stabsobermaschinist
Posts: 151265
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 12:24 am
About me: My posts are related to the thread in the same way Gliese 651b is related to your mother's underwear drawer.
Location: Sitting next to Ayaan in Domus Draconis, and communicating via PMs.
Contact:

Re: Computers are better than teachers.

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Jan 18, 2013 2:10 am

"deeper and richer"? Defined as...
Image
Ein Ubootsoldat wrote:“Ich melde mich ab. Grüssen Sie bitte meine Kameraden.”

User avatar
Blind groper
Posts: 3997
Joined: Sun Mar 25, 2012 3:10 am
About me: From New Zealand
Contact:

Re: Computers are better than teachers.

Post by Blind groper » Fri Jan 18, 2013 2:28 am

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:"deeper and richer"? Defined as...
Not sure I can answer that. I did not write the book.

Diamandis, though, has put the education emphasis on things other than rote learning. He regards skills as more important. Methods of thinking as more important. Finding facts is more important than memorising them. He says the main things to learn are the old fashioned three r's - reading, writing and arithmetic - plus various skills including critical thinking.
For every human action, there is a rationalisation and a reason. Only sometimes do they coincide.

User avatar
Gawdzilla Sama
Stabsobermaschinist
Posts: 151265
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 12:24 am
About me: My posts are related to the thread in the same way Gliese 651b is related to your mother's underwear drawer.
Location: Sitting next to Ayaan in Domus Draconis, and communicating via PMs.
Contact:

Re: Computers are better than teachers.

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:04 pm

Blind groper wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:"deeper and richer"? Defined as...
Not sure I can answer that. I did not write the book.

Diamandis, though, has put the education emphasis on things other than rote learning. He regards skills as more important. Methods of thinking as more important. Finding facts is more important than memorising them. He says the main things to learn are the old fashioned three r's - reading, writing and arithmetic - plus various skills including critical thinking.
"Well rounded education", that's what worries me about self-directed learning. You have to put in time on subjects that aren't immediately interesting to you. Undergrad versus Grad School at Purdue was like this. I took course that filled my requirements for a degree, but I would have been happy to take nothing but History, Sociology and Psychology courses.
Image
Ein Ubootsoldat wrote:“Ich melde mich ab. Grüssen Sie bitte meine Kameraden.”

User avatar
Rum
Absent Minded Processor
Posts: 37285
Joined: Wed Mar 11, 2009 9:25 pm
Location: South of the border..though not down Mexico way..
Contact:

Re: Computers are better than teachers.

Post by Rum » Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:06 pm

One assumes they could read...

User avatar
Gawdzilla Sama
Stabsobermaschinist
Posts: 151265
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 12:24 am
About me: My posts are related to the thread in the same way Gliese 651b is related to your mother's underwear drawer.
Location: Sitting next to Ayaan in Domus Draconis, and communicating via PMs.
Contact:

Re: Computers are better than teachers.

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:08 pm

Rum wrote:One assumes they could read...
I thought you worked at a school? :hehe:

Or is that Kev? :ask:
Image
Ein Ubootsoldat wrote:“Ich melde mich ab. Grüssen Sie bitte meine Kameraden.”

User avatar
Rum
Absent Minded Processor
Posts: 37285
Joined: Wed Mar 11, 2009 9:25 pm
Location: South of the border..though not down Mexico way..
Contact:

Re: Computers are better than teachers.

Post by Rum » Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:12 pm

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
Rum wrote:One assumes they could read...
I thought you worked at a school? :hehe:

Or is that Kev? :ask:
What? :think:

User avatar
Gawdzilla Sama
Stabsobermaschinist
Posts: 151265
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 12:24 am
About me: My posts are related to the thread in the same way Gliese 651b is related to your mother's underwear drawer.
Location: Sitting next to Ayaan in Domus Draconis, and communicating via PMs.
Contact:

Re: Computers are better than teachers.

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:16 pm

Rum wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
Rum wrote:One assumes they could read...
I thought you worked at a school? :hehe:

Or is that Kev? :ask:
What? :think:
If you worked at a school you'd know how many students can actually read. At least in the US. :(

But for a reply answer to your comment: Yes, they'd need initial schooling just to be able to comprehend what they are seeing on the screen. Perhaps an intranet, with limited choices and testing requirements to gain greater access to the web would be workable?

And a slight derail. I've read about villages in India that have no electricity, but have a computer available. People who want to use it have to take a turn on the bicycle-powered generator first. (Or sucker someone else into doing the work for them, of course.)
Image
Ein Ubootsoldat wrote:“Ich melde mich ab. Grüssen Sie bitte meine Kameraden.”

User avatar
Rum
Absent Minded Processor
Posts: 37285
Joined: Wed Mar 11, 2009 9:25 pm
Location: South of the border..though not down Mexico way..
Contact:

Re: Computers are better than teachers.

Post by Rum » Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:19 pm

In a sense schools worked for me.. :levi:

User avatar
Gawdzilla Sama
Stabsobermaschinist
Posts: 151265
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 12:24 am
About me: My posts are related to the thread in the same way Gliese 651b is related to your mother's underwear drawer.
Location: Sitting next to Ayaan in Domus Draconis, and communicating via PMs.
Contact:

Re: Computers are better than teachers.

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:21 pm

Rum wrote:In a sense schools worked for me.. :levi:
They were always my play grounds. Never had any problems with the course work in any school, and they had libraries!!!!
Image
Ein Ubootsoldat wrote:“Ich melde mich ab. Grüssen Sie bitte meine Kameraden.”

User avatar
pErvinalia
On the good stuff
Posts: 60715
Joined: Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:08 pm
About me: Spelling 'were' 'where'
Location: dystopia
Contact:

Re: Computers are better than teachers.

Post by pErvinalia » Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:26 pm

Blind groper wrote:I am reading Dr. Peter Diamandis book "Abundance".

He comments on an experiment carried out in Africa. A computer was made available to a few impoverished children, who did not go to school. The computer was connected to the internet. No instructions given on how to use it. A few months later, the kid's progress was measured. The children 'playing' with the computer were learning several times as quickly as the ones going to school.
I bet they were looking at porn!
Sent from my penis using wankertalk.
"The Western world is fucking awesome because of mostly white men" - DaveDodo007.
"Socialized medicine is just exactly as morally defensible as gassing and cooking Jews" - Seth. Yes, he really did say that..
"Seth you are a boon to this community" - Cunt.
"I am seriously thinking of going on a spree killing" - Svartalf.

User avatar
Clinton Huxley
19th century monkeybitch.
Posts: 23739
Joined: Mon Mar 02, 2009 4:34 pm
Contact:

Re: Computers are better than teachers.

Post by Clinton Huxley » Fri Jan 18, 2013 12:27 pm

Well, if one experiment in Africa, written up by some businessman says its true,it must be.....is there a reference for the study?
"I grow old … I grow old …
I shall wear the bottoms of my trousers rolled"

AND MERRY XMAS TO ONE AND All!

Imagehttp://25kv.co.uk/date_counter.php?date ... 20counting!!![/img-sig]

Post Reply

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests