And another one bites the dust...

[piscator]

How the hell do you accidentally shoot yourself in the chest with a rifle?

I once made a bad knot which came undone while lowering my rifle from a deer stand and it fell 10+ feet and landed square on the butt of the stock with the muzzle pointed straight up at me. I was high at the time.

Which means that you avoided the just and reasonable consequences of your own stupidity by virtue of the careful attention to design and safety of the manufacturer of your rifle. You should send them a thank-you note.

Presumably, the engineers at Fabrique Nationale were paid for their efforts.
Getting shot with an expanding bullet at 2800fps for a loose bowline is not just. Nor is it reasonable to expect a thru-bolt safety to fail because I sparked a bowl in a deer stand.
And I wasn't stupid, I was temporarily careless because I needed to pee. And you will be happy to know I replaced that 3-strand poly line with some 550 cord that was more supple and less prone to springing loose when the knot wasn't loaded.

[Seth]

How the hell do you accidentally shoot yourself in the chest with a rifle?

I once made a bad knot which came undone while lowering my rifle from a deer stand and it fell 10+ feet and landed square on the butt of the stock with the muzzle pointed straight up at me. I was high at the time.

Which means that you avoided the just and reasonable consequences of your own stupidity by virtue of the careful attention to design and safety of the manufacturer of your rifle. You should send them a thank-you note.

Presumably, the engineers at Fabrique Nationale were paid for their efforts.

Doesn't mean you shouldn't send them a thank-you for saving your life.

Getting shot with an expanding bullet at 2800fps for a loose bowline is not just.

Of course it is. You said you were stoned so therefore your faulty knot-tying (running end goes UNDER, then the rabbit comes out of the hole, goes around the tree and back into the hole...I can tie one with one hand, behind my back, wearing a mitten, standing in a freezing cold shower in the pitch dark...because as a climber I actually practiced doing just that...just in case.) is the product of your own voluntary impairment. Had the rifle discharged and the bullet struck and killed you the consequence would have been the just consequence for your idiotic handling of a firearm while stoned, which by the way is both a state and federal crime in the US. Merely being in possession of pot and a firearm is a federal felony offense that can get you 5 years mandatory in the federal pen.

Nor is it reasonable to expect a thru-bolt safety to fail because I sparked a bowl in a deer stand.

This falsely assumes that the safety is an automatic device. Had you sparked two bowls, or been slightly more stoned, you could have easily neglected to activate the safety, which might have given you your just desserts.

And I wasn't stupid, I was temporarily careless because I needed to pee. And you will be happy to know I replaced that 3-strand poly line with some 550 cord that was more supple and less prone to springing loose when the knot wasn't loaded.

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You were stupid, careless and negligent and you put yourself and anyone within a radius of a couple of miles at risk with your criminal activity.

Did I ever tell you about the mystery shooting on highway 101 along the California coast many years ago? A car going northbound was found by police off the road. The female driver had suffered an instantly-fatal gunshot wound to the head. The police originally thought it was an assassination because there was no damage to the car, the doors were locked and the driver's window was down a mere two inches. After a long investigation they determined that a boatman at sea some three or four miles offshore had fired his .30-06 bolt action rifle at a shark and the projectile had ricocheted off the water (or perhaps the shark's back) and by pure chance its terminal trajectory intersected with the 2-inch slot in the woman's window as she drove up the coast.

And then there's the routine deaths caused by jackasses firing off their guns into the air on New Year's Eve all over the world.

You are responsible for the terminus of every single round you fire and negligently discharging a rifle round into the air because you were too stoned to follow basic gun safety practices, which any half-way intelligent hunter knows includes UNLOADING the chamber of a firearm before doing things like climbing a fence or trying to lower the rifle from a tree stand is inexcusable negligence. Not accident, negligence. Criminal negligence. You got really, really lucky but you were totally and absolutely wrong in every respect and had you gotten killed it would have been an entirely just and reasonable penalty for your abysmal stupidity.

And if you don't understand that and you continue to deny the gravity of your malfeasance, then you have absolutely no business whatsoever possessing any firearm ever, under any circumstances. Yours is the kind of thing that makes responsible gun owners look bad. Some anti-gun asswipe would be using your stupidity as an "example" of why guns need to be banned.

Suck it up buttercup and admit you were wrong, because you were.

[FBM]

How the hell do you accidentally shoot yourself in the chest with a rifle?

I once made a bad knot which came undone while lowering my rifle from a deer stand and it fell 10+ feet and landed square on the butt of the stock with the muzzle pointed straight up at me. I was high at the time.

I'd have jumped.

[piscator]

You were stupid, careless and negligent and you put yourself and anyone within a radius of a couple of miles at risk with your criminal activity.

Did I ever tell you about the mystery shooting on highway 101 along the California coast many years ago? A car going northbound was found by police off the road. The female driver had suffered an instantly-fatal gunshot wound to the head. The police originally thought it was an assassination because there was no damage to the car, the doors were locked and the driver's window was down a mere two inches. After a long investigation they determined that a boatman at sea some three or four miles offshore had fired his .30-06 bolt action rifle at a shark and the projectile had ricocheted off the water (or perhaps the shark's back) and by pure chance its terminal trajectory intersected with the 2-inch slot in the woman's window as she drove up the coast.

And then there's the routine deaths caused by jackasses firing off their guns into the air on New Year's Eve all over the world.

You are responsible for the terminus of every single round you fire and negligently discharging a rifle round into the air because you were too stoned to follow basic gun safety practices, which any half-way intelligent hunter knows includes UNLOADING the chamber of a firearm before doing things like climbing a fence or trying to lower the rifle from a tree stand is inexcusable negligence. Not accident, negligence. Criminal negligence. You got really, really lucky but you were totally and absolutely wrong in every respect and had you gotten killed it would have been an entirely just and reasonable penalty for your abysmal stupidity.

And if you don't understand that and you continue to deny the gravity of your malfeasance, then you have absolutely no business whatsoever possessing any firearm ever, under any circumstances. Yours is the kind of thing that makes responsible gun owners look bad. Some anti-gun asswipe would be using your stupidity as an "example" of why guns need to be banned.

Suck it up buttercup and admit you were wrong, because you were.

Now now Seth...Did I tell you the rifle was loaded at the time?

[piscator]

How the hell do you accidentally shoot yourself in the chest with a rifle?

I once made a bad knot which came undone while lowering my rifle from a deer stand and it fell 10+ feet and landed square on the butt of the stock with the muzzle pointed straight up at me. I was high at the time.

I'd have jumped.

Then I would have had to fly back up there to get my stand.

[Seth]

You were stupid, careless and negligent and you put yourself and anyone within a radius of a couple of miles at risk with your criminal activity.

Did I ever tell you about the mystery shooting on highway 101 along the California coast many years ago? A car going northbound was found by police off the road. The female driver had suffered an instantly-fatal gunshot wound to the head. The police originally thought it was an assassination because there was no damage to the car, the doors were locked and the driver's window was down a mere two inches. After a long investigation they determined that a boatman at sea some three or four miles offshore had fired his .30-06 bolt action rifle at a shark and the projectile had ricocheted off the water (or perhaps the shark's back) and by pure chance its terminal trajectory intersected with the 2-inch slot in the woman's window as she drove up the coast.

And then there's the routine deaths caused by jackasses firing off their guns into the air on New Year's Eve all over the world.

You are responsible for the terminus of every single round you fire and negligently discharging a rifle round into the air because you were too stoned to follow basic gun safety practices, which any half-way intelligent hunter knows includes UNLOADING the chamber of a firearm before doing things like climbing a fence or trying to lower the rifle from a tree stand is inexcusable negligence. Not accident, negligence. Criminal negligence. You got really, really lucky but you were totally and absolutely wrong in every respect and had you gotten killed it would have been an entirely just and reasonable penalty for your abysmal stupidity.

And if you don't understand that and you continue to deny the gravity of your malfeasance, then you have absolutely no business whatsoever possessing any firearm ever, under any circumstances. Yours is the kind of thing that makes responsible gun owners look bad. Some anti-gun asswipe would be using your stupidity as an "example" of why guns need to be banned.

Suck it up buttercup and admit you were wrong, because you were.

Now now Seth...Did I tell you the rifle was loaded at the time?

Goalpost shifting and evasion, not that it matters. My arguments still stand as a valid analysis of the implicit and explicit admissions you made. Besides, merely being in possession of a firearm and pot is a crime. In fact, merely being in possession of a single round of ammunition and pot is a federal crime. And dropping your rifle, unloaded or not, is a serious breach of gun safety rules. You were negligent, it's as simple as that.

[piscator]

You were stupid, careless and negligent and you put yourself and anyone within a radius of a couple of miles at risk with your criminal activity.

Did I ever tell you about the mystery shooting on highway 101 along the California coast many years ago? A car going northbound was found by police off the road. The female driver had suffered an instantly-fatal gunshot wound to the head. The police originally thought it was an assassination because there was no damage to the car, the doors were locked and the driver's window was down a mere two inches. After a long investigation they determined that a boatman at sea some three or four miles offshore had fired his .30-06 bolt action rifle at a shark and the projectile had ricocheted off the water (or perhaps the shark's back) and by pure chance its terminal trajectory intersected with the 2-inch slot in the woman's window as she drove up the coast.

And then there's the routine deaths caused by jackasses firing off their guns into the air on New Year's Eve all over the world.

You are responsible for the terminus of every single round you fire and negligently discharging a rifle round into the air because you were too stoned to follow basic gun safety practices, which any half-way intelligent hunter knows includes UNLOADING the chamber of a firearm before doing things like climbing a fence or trying to lower the rifle from a tree stand is inexcusable negligence. Not accident, negligence. Criminal negligence. You got really, really lucky but you were totally and absolutely wrong in every respect and had you gotten killed it would have been an entirely just and reasonable penalty for your abysmal stupidity.

And if you don't understand that and you continue to deny the gravity of your malfeasance, then you have absolutely no business whatsoever possessing any firearm ever, under any circumstances. Yours is the kind of thing that makes responsible gun owners look bad. Some anti-gun asswipe would be using your stupidity as an "example" of why guns need to be banned.

Suck it up buttercup and admit you were wrong, because you were.

Now now Seth...Did I tell you the rifle was loaded at the time?

Goalpost shifting and evasion, not that it matters. My arguments still stand as a valid analysis of the implicit and explicit admissions you made. .

Looks like you've made some very unwarranted assumptions, Seth.
Did I tell you I was in possession of cannabis at the time?
And again, Did I tell you the rifle was loaded at the time?

[Seth]

You were stupid, careless and negligent and you put yourself and anyone within a radius of a couple of miles at risk with your criminal activity.

Did I ever tell you about the mystery shooting on highway 101 along the California coast many years ago? A car going northbound was found by police off the road. The female driver had suffered an instantly-fatal gunshot wound to the head. The police originally thought it was an assassination because there was no damage to the car, the doors were locked and the driver's window was down a mere two inches. After a long investigation they determined that a boatman at sea some three or four miles offshore had fired his .30-06 bolt action rifle at a shark and the projectile had ricocheted off the water (or perhaps the shark's back) and by pure chance its terminal trajectory intersected with the 2-inch slot in the woman's window as she drove up the coast.

And then there's the routine deaths caused by jackasses firing off their guns into the air on New Year's Eve all over the world.

You are responsible for the terminus of every single round you fire and negligently discharging a rifle round into the air because you were too stoned to follow basic gun safety practices, which any half-way intelligent hunter knows includes UNLOADING the chamber of a firearm before doing things like climbing a fence or trying to lower the rifle from a tree stand is inexcusable negligence. Not accident, negligence. Criminal negligence. You got really, really lucky but you were totally and absolutely wrong in every respect and had you gotten killed it would have been an entirely just and reasonable penalty for your abysmal stupidity.

And if you don't understand that and you continue to deny the gravity of your malfeasance, then you have absolutely no business whatsoever possessing any firearm ever, under any circumstances. Yours is the kind of thing that makes responsible gun owners look bad. Some anti-gun asswipe would be using your stupidity as an "example" of why guns need to be banned.

Suck it up buttercup and admit you were wrong, because you were.

Now now Seth...Did I tell you the rifle was loaded at the time?

Goalpost shifting and evasion, not that it matters. My arguments still stand as a valid analysis of the implicit and explicit admissions you made. .

Looks like you've made some very unwarranted assumptions, Seth.
Did I tell you I was in possession of cannabis at the time?
And again, Did I tell you the rifle was loaded at the time?

Evasion, obfuscation and pettifoggery. You said you were stoned, you said you "fired up a bowl," you said you dropped your rifle from a tree stand due to (according to you) a faulty knot. Sounds like an admission against interest that you were in possession of illegal drugs and firearms at the same time and it sounds like all that would be admissible in court to me.

Not that it matters. My point remains. Assuming arguendo that you're role-playing, what you described would be a violation of both criminal law and proper gun safety rules, which is my point. You can deny it all you want but smoking pot in a tree stand while hunting with a rifle and then dropping the rifle because you mis-tied the knot is a fine example of what NOT to do and an egregious example of a stupid, incompetent gun owner that, if you actually did it, you should be ashamed of.

[piscator]

You were stupid, careless and negligent and you put yourself and anyone within a radius of a couple of miles at risk with your criminal activity.

Did I ever tell you about the mystery shooting on highway 101 along the California coast many years ago? A car going northbound was found by police off the road. The female driver had suffered an instantly-fatal gunshot wound to the head. The police originally thought it was an assassination because there was no damage to the car, the doors were locked and the driver's window was down a mere two inches. After a long investigation they determined that a boatman at sea some three or four miles offshore had fired his .30-06 bolt action rifle at a shark and the projectile had ricocheted off the water (or perhaps the shark's back) and by pure chance its terminal trajectory intersected with the 2-inch slot in the woman's window as she drove up the coast.

And then there's the routine deaths caused by jackasses firing off their guns into the air on New Year's Eve all over the world.

You are responsible for the terminus of every single round you fire and negligently discharging a rifle round into the air because you were too stoned to follow basic gun safety practices, which any half-way intelligent hunter knows includes UNLOADING the chamber of a firearm before doing things like climbing a fence or trying to lower the rifle from a tree stand is inexcusable negligence. Not accident, negligence. Criminal negligence. You got really, really lucky but you were totally and absolutely wrong in every respect and had you gotten killed it would have been an entirely just and reasonable penalty for your abysmal stupidity.

And if you don't understand that and you continue to deny the gravity of your malfeasance, then you have absolutely no business whatsoever possessing any firearm ever, under any circumstances. Yours is the kind of thing that makes responsible gun owners look bad. Some anti-gun asswipe would be using your stupidity as an "example" of why guns need to be banned.

Suck it up buttercup and admit you were wrong, because you were.

Now now Seth...Did I tell you the rifle was loaded at the time?

Goalpost shifting and evasion, not that it matters. My arguments still stand as a valid analysis of the implicit and explicit admissions you made. .

Looks like you've made some very unwarranted assumptions, Seth.
Did I tell you I was in possession of cannabis at the time?
And again, Did I tell you the rifle was loaded at the time?

Evasion, obfuscation and pettifoggery. You said you were stoned, you said you "fired up a bowl," you said you dropped your rifle from a tree stand due to (according to you) a faulty knot. Sounds like an admission against interest that you were in possession of illegal drugs and firearms at the same time and it sounds like all that would be admissible in court to me.

I imagine it would sound like that...to a typical internet Barney Fife on an ego binge. But none of us here are like that, are we?

[Seth]

I imagine it would sound like that...to a typical internet Barney Fife on an ego binge. But none of us here are like that, are we?

I know I'm not, I'm a professional after all. I'm not at all sure about you though.

[piscator]

[mistermack]

I suppose if you were incredibly stupid, and you were using the gun as a club for some weird reason, you could be holding it by the muzzle and swinging it around.
But the fingerprints would tell the tale of what happened. If he wasn't wearing gloves.

It really doesn't matter anyway. The kid in the woods was another pointless gun death.

[Seth]

I suppose if you were incredibly stupid, and you were using the gun as a club for some weird reason, you could be holding it by the muzzle and swinging it around.
But the fingerprints would tell the tale of what happened. If he wasn't wearing gloves.

It really doesn't matter anyway. The kid in the woods was another pointless gun death.

True, but that doesn't make guns pointless, it just reinforces the need for proper training and gun-handling protocols.

[piscator]

...A loser with a muthafucking gun" -- Dre (para.)


I notice a lot of douchenozzles seem to appoint themselves "Firearms Experts"...

[JacksSmirkingRevenge]

...A loser with a muthafucking gun" -- Dre (para.)


I notice a lot of douchenozzles seem to appoint themselves "Firearms Experts"...

Doesn't look to me like he learned a fucking thing from his experience, as evidenced by the fact that he pulls a cocked pistol straight from his holster.
What a dickhead.