"Alt-right" Still Parading Ignorance, Stupidity, Malice, Etc.

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Post by L'Emmerdeur » Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:06 am

Those damn pointy-headed (no doubt leftist) scientists are tracking the migration patters of the bros. As with many scientific studies, significant parts of their findings align with what had previously been observed in a less rigorous manner. I don't have a pop-science write-up on this, but the paper is open-access. I've added paragraph breaks to the abstract. The last sentence should raise some hackles. :lol:

'Are Anti-Feminist Communities Gateways to the Far Right? Evidence from Reddit and YouTube'
Researchers have suggested that "the Manosphere," a conglomerate of men-centered online communities, may serve as a gateway to far right movements. In that context, this paper quantitatively studies the migratory patterns between a variety of groups within the Manosphere and the Alt-right, a loosely connected far right movement that has been particularly active in mainstream social networks.

Our analysis leverages over 300 million comments spread through Reddit (in 115 subreddits) and YouTube (in 526 channels) to investigate whether the audiences of channels and subreddits associated with these communities have converged between 2006 and 2018. In addition to subreddits related to the communities of interest, we also collect data on counterparts: other groups of users which we use for comparison (e.g., for YouTube we use a set of media channels).

Besides measuring the similarity in the commenting user bases of these communities, we perform a migration study, calculating to which extent users in the Manosphere gradually engage with Alt-right content. Our results suggest that there is a large overlap between the user bases of the Alt-right and of the Manosphere and that members of the Manosphere have a bigger chance to engage with far right content than carefully chosen counterparts.

However, our analysis also shows that migration and user base overlap varies substantially across different platforms and within the Manosphere. Members of some communities (e.g., Men's Rights Activists) gradually engage with the Alt-right significantly more than counterparts on both Reddit and YouTube, whereas for other communities, this engagement happens mostly on Reddit (e.g., Pick Up Artists). Overall, our work paints a nuanced picture of the pipeline between the Manosphere and the Alt-right, which may inform platforms' policies and moderation decisions regarding these communities.

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Post by L'Emmerdeur » Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:11 am

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What's that superstraight meme? It just doesn't make sense.
I think it's one of those things where you have to be in on the joke already. Clearly you don't spend enough time on 4chan. :td:

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Post by Cunt » Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:07 pm

It makes more sense than trying to tell people that a man is really a woman because of their decree.

But it might just provide some human rights protection to people who don't declare themselves in one of the niche sexual groups.

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Post by Cunt » Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:07 pm

I think Ayaan Hirsi Ali might be considered 'alt-right' now, so I'll put this here.
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Ayaan Hirsi Ali: Is the New Wave of Migrants a Threat to Western Feminism?

The global women's rights activist joins Danielle and Muslim author Irshad Manji in a provocative conversation about the brutal challenges to women's rights posed by young male migrants from cultures that abuse and discriminate against women, based on her new book Prey.
Not an easy subject to discuss here, but I'm thinking Ayaan might still have a fan or two, since she made that movie with Theo Van Gogh. I'm giving her a listen.
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Post by L'Emmerdeur » Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:20 pm

Noice. Dutifully spreading the troll gospel. Like a prophet of shit-posting, you are.
Over the next two weeks, the super-straight video started to spread on social media, eventually hitting the /pol board of 4chan, known for being a home to far-right trolls, and growing from there. The board members discussed creating and sharing memes about being super straight to "drive a wedge" within LGBTQ communities and "use the left's tactics against themselves, call them bigots for not accepting super straights," according to several posts and deleted threads shared on Twitter. The posts also directly linked the abbreviation for super straight to the Nazi SS.

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Post by Cunt » Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:26 pm

What's the thread title?

Oh right - L'Emmerdeur's private collection. I forgot, sorry.
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Cunt wrote:
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What's the thread title?

Oh right - L'Emmerdeur's private collection. I forgot, sorry.
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Post by Cunt » Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:49 pm

What's your take on Ayaan Hirsi Ali and the new book she is promoting?

Genuinely curious. I think she used to be a hero of the atheists, but sometime in the 15 years since RDF, she seems to have been slandered as far-right.

Her subject matter is difficult, and in my cynisims, I expected the only comments here to be attacking her character (for those who oppose her) and silence from anyone who agrees with her.

I do recognize the difficulty of addressing her subject matter, so feel free to dodge, or ignore the question, of course.
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Post by L'Emmerdeur » Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:36 pm

Ali seems to have made a career out of her zealotry. I don't blame her for the strong distaste she feels, and agree with a fair number of her observations. Personally I have an aversion to 'atheist heroes' on principle, and have even less time for 'former atheist heroes.'

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Post by L'Emmerdeur » Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:39 pm

Svartalf wrote:
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What's that superstraight meme? It just doesn't make sense.
I think it's one of those things where you have to be in on the joke already. Clearly you don't spend enough time on 4chan. :td:
I definitely meant that as a compliment, just to be clear. ;)

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Post by L'Emmerdeur » Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:45 pm

* migration patterns of the bros.

Though I suppose if you squint, 'migration patter' works as well. After all, these fellows talk each other into their positions, just as members of any movement do.

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Post by Cunt » Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:48 pm

She was a 'hero' of mine for rather plain reasons. Courage, in her case.

She has good reason for her zealotry, if you believe most of her story. As a victim myself, of infant genital mutilation, I fully support the right of anyone so affected to be a zealot in advocating against it.

I enjoyed the podcast, but wouldn't see the subjects discussed anymore. It seems religions being stupid stopped being entertaining. Or palatable. Or something.

We all know Carl Benjamin is vilified mostly for his honesty. There may be other, better reasons to vilify or dislike him, but the most popular reason is for saying true things in an ugly or uncouth way.
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Post by Brian Peacock » Wed Mar 10, 2021 7:57 am

Oh sure, Carl is honest about his views, but it's his views not his honesty which most reasonable people take issue with.
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Post by Hermit » Wed Mar 10, 2021 8:04 am

Cunt wrote:
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Carl Benjamin is vilified mostly for his honesty.
Quite. Just speaking for myself, I vilify everybody who has the effrontery of being honest because they are honest, and honesty is the only reason I vilify anyone.

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Post by Svartalf » Wed Mar 10, 2021 1:16 pm

L'Emmerdeur wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:39 pm
Svartalf wrote:
Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:03 am
What's that superstraight meme? It just doesn't make sense.
I think it's one of those things where you have to be in on the joke already. Clearly you don't spend enough time on 4chan. :td:
I definitely meant that as a compliment, just to be clear. ;)
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