Go to London..but don't lose your head over it!

[Cormac]

Most Irish nationals are not nationalists.

I have no idea what you been by this.

Most Irish people are Republican Nationalists, but not in the sense that Sinn Fein, the IRA, the Loyalists, or the British mean when they twist these words to suit their own agendae.

Irish Nationalism is widely understood as embodying an aspiration for a United Ireland.

Give us back our counties, and take your damn protestants back.

This is part of the bullshit.

The independence movement in Ireland was heavily populated with Protestants of different varieties, in addition to Catholics, and excommunicated Catholics.

Nationalism and the Nationalist Movement were consistently ANTI-sectarian.

[Cormac]

That's the one that starts:
"In the Name of the Most Holy Trinity, from Whom is all authority and to Whom, as our final end, all actions both of men and States must be referred,
We, the people of Éire,Humbly acknowledging all our obligations to our Divine Lord, Jesus Christ, Who sustained our fathers through centuries of trial...."

It no more follows that the majority of Irish nationals are necessarily Christians than that the majority of them actually aspire to a United Ireland. Most people in the Republic are at best wary of the North and have no proprietorial interest in it.

Most people do aspire to a United Ireland - and since Articles 2 and 3 were changed following the Good Friday Agreement, it is precisely this - an aspiration, rather than an overt territorial claim.

This doesn't mean that there isn't wariness or fear about that, nor do people necessarily follow the Sinn Fein line on matters (I don't - I detest Sinn Fein).

[Svartalf]

Give us back our counties, and take your damn protestants back.

This is part of the bullshit.

The independence movement in Ireland was heavily populated with Protestants of different varieties, in addition to Catholics, and excommunicated Catholics.

Nationalism and the Nationalist Movement were consistently ANTI-sectarian.

Don't I know... Dean Jonathan Swift was a prominent protestant and nationalist.

But the unionist scum, I'd like to send back to london.

[En_Route]

That's the one that starts:
"In the Name of the Most Holy Trinity, from Whom is all authority and to Whom, as our final end, all actions both of men and States must be referred,
We, the people of Éire,Humbly acknowledging all our obligations to our Divine Lord, Jesus Christ, Who sustained our fathers through centuries of trial...."

It no more follows that the majority of Irish nationals are necessarily Christians than that the majority of them actually aspire to a United Ireland. Most people in the Republic are at best wary of the North and have no proprietorial interest in it.

Most people do aspire to a United Ireland - and since Articles 2 and 3 were changed following the Good Friday Agreement, it is precisely this - an aspiration, rather than an overt territorial claim.

This doesn't mean that there isn't wariness or fear about that, nor do people necessarily follow the Sinn Fein line on matters (I don't - I detest Sinn Fein).

It is a pious, feel-good aspiration like world peace which very few people in the Republic truly care about or take any active steps to promote, even the bare majority who claim to share it. It's also meaningless because it's never going to happen. In the North, recent polls suggest that self-declared Catholics there (a fairly close proxy for Irish nationals, since most will claim Irish citizenship) do not want to see Irish unity. One look at the current tax rates and the broken economy of the Republic would deter any idealistic tendencies .Plus everyone knows that any future attempt to dragoon a minority of Unionist hardliners into a United Ireland is a guarantee of mayhem and the return to wide-scale terrorism.

[Cormac]

That's the one that starts:
"In the Name of the Most Holy Trinity, from Whom is all authority and to Whom, as our final end, all actions both of men and States must be referred,
We, the people of Éire,Humbly acknowledging all our obligations to our Divine Lord, Jesus Christ, Who sustained our fathers through centuries of trial...."

It no more follows that the majority of Irish nationals are necessarily Christians than that the majority of them actually aspire to a United Ireland. Most people in the Republic are at best wary of the North and have no proprietorial interest in it.

Most people do aspire to a United Ireland - and since Articles 2 and 3 were changed following the Good Friday Agreement, it is precisely this - an aspiration, rather than an overt territorial claim.

This doesn't mean that there isn't wariness or fear about that, nor do people necessarily follow the Sinn Fein line on matters (I don't - I detest Sinn Fein).

It is a pious, feel-good aspiration like world peace which very few people in the Republic truly care about or take any active steps to promote, even the bare majority who claim to share it. It's also meaningless because it's never going to happen. In the North, recent polls suggest that self-declared Catholics there (a fairly close proxy for Irish nationals, since most will claim Irish citizenship) do not want to see Irish unity. One look at the current tax rates and the broken economy of the Republic would deter any idealistic tendencies .Plus everyone knows that any future attempt to dragoon a minority of Unionist hardliners into a United Ireland is a guarantee of mayhem and the return to wide-scale terrorism.

I've no doubt that over time, the situation will evolve in directions we don't yet anticipate.

I'd like to see a united Ireland - but it would be a very different place from the Catholic "Republic" envisioned by John Charles McQuaid.

But before that could happen, there'd have to be enormous cultural shifts throughout Northern Ireland - and I don't see this happening soon, if at all.

I'd like to see a United Ireland - but if the people there decide to remain part of Britain in a fair vote, then I'll be content with that.

Is this a pious feel-good aspiration for a united Ireland - perhaps - but it is also the democratic one.

Also - the Northern Question isn't the sole issue involved in Irish Nationalism. It also has to do with sovereignty of the Republic as things stand - and the last decade has shown an increasing discomfort with the loss of sovereignty to the EU and in particular, the European Commission.

[Cormac]

Give us back our counties, and take your damn protestants back.

This is part of the bullshit.

The independence movement in Ireland was heavily populated with Protestants of different varieties, in addition to Catholics, and excommunicated Catholics.

Nationalism and the Nationalist Movement were consistently ANTI-sectarian.

Don't I know... Dean Jonathan Swift was a prominent protestant and nationalist.

But the unionist scum, I'd like to send back to london.

I don't see them as scum. I have several friends who are unionist.

I see them as a population stuck with the legacy of the fact that their forefathers were the tool of colonial expansion. (And in fact, this isn't even accurate - because the unionist community today is made up of pre-plantation Irish and plantation Irish - as is the nationalist population.

An interesting result of some Genetic research a few years ago showed that McGuiness (republican) was descended from the same ancestor as McGuinness (unionist).

My wife is of protestant stock - very early English planters in Leinster. Her ancestors included twin brothers - one of whom was hanged for treason (having been an advisor to the O'Neill's) and the other who was rewarded for services to the Crown (he was a key advisor).

ALL Irish families have a chequered history of involvement in support of and against the Colonial power.

[En_Route]

That's the one that starts:
"In the Name of the Most Holy Trinity, from Whom is all authority and to Whom, as our final end, all actions both of men and States must be referred,
We, the people of Éire,Humbly acknowledging all our obligations to our Divine Lord, Jesus Christ, Who sustained our fathers through centuries of trial...."

It no more follows that the majority of Irish nationals are necessarily Christians than that the majority of them actually aspire to a United Ireland. Most people in the Republic are at best wary of the North and have no proprietorial interest in it.

Most people do aspire to a United Ireland - and since Articles 2 and 3 were changed following the Good Friday Agreement, it is precisely this - an aspiration, rather than an overt territorial claim.

This doesn't mean that there isn't wariness or fear about that, nor do people necessarily follow the Sinn Fein line on matters (I don't - I detest Sinn Fein).

It is a pious, feel-good aspiration like world peace which very few people in the Republic truly care about or take any active steps to promote, even the bare majority who claim to share it. It's also meaningless because it's never going to happen. In the North, recent polls suggest that self-declared Catholics there (a fairly close proxy for Irish nationals, since most will claim Irish citizenship) do not want to see Irish unity. One look at the current tax rates and the broken economy of the Republic would deter any idealistic tendencies .Plus everyone knows that any future attempt to dragoon a minority of Unionist hardliners into a United Ireland is a guarantee of mayhem and the return to wide-scale terrorism.

I've no doubt that over time, the situation will evolve in directions we don't yet anticipate.

I'd like to see a united Ireland - but it would be a very different place from the Catholic "Republic" envisioned by John Charles McQuaid.

But before that could happen, there'd have to be enormous cultural shifts throughout Northern Ireland - and I don't see this happening soon, if at all.

I'd like to see a United Ireland - but if the people there decide to remain part of Britain in a fair vote, then I'll be content with that.

Is this a pious feel-good aspiration for a united Ireland - perhaps - but it is also the democratic one.

Also - the Northern Question isn't the sole issue involved in Irish Nationalism. It also has to do with sovereignty of the Republic as things stand - and the last decade has shown an increasing discomfort with the loss of sovereignty to the EU and in particular, the European Commission.

Irish unity is not an active preoccupation for the overwhelming majority of people in the Republic. Those who would claim to favour the concept of a United Ireland would do so in much the same way that they might be in favour of a cure for cancer, but equally do fuck all about it. In fact even the theoretical prospect of a united Ireland may not be especially attractive to most people in the Republic. The North enjoys a massive subsidy from the UK exchequer- who is going to pick up the tab?- the benighted citizens of the Republic already groaning under the yoke of swingeing Income tax , PRSI, Universal Social Charge and Local Property Taxes needed to pay off the legacy of venal gombeen capitalism.

[Cormac]

That's the one that starts:
"In the Name of the Most Holy Trinity, from Whom is all authority and to Whom, as our final end, all actions both of men and States must be referred,
We, the people of Éire,Humbly acknowledging all our obligations to our Divine Lord, Jesus Christ, Who sustained our fathers through centuries of trial...."

It no more follows that the majority of Irish nationals are necessarily Christians than that the majority of them actually aspire to a United Ireland. Most people in the Republic are at best wary of the North and have no proprietorial interest in it.

Most people do aspire to a United Ireland - and since Articles 2 and 3 were changed following the Good Friday Agreement, it is precisely this - an aspiration, rather than an overt territorial claim.

This doesn't mean that there isn't wariness or fear about that, nor do people necessarily follow the Sinn Fein line on matters (I don't - I detest Sinn Fein).

It is a pious, feel-good aspiration like world peace which very few people in the Republic truly care about or take any active steps to promote, even the bare majority who claim to share it. It's also meaningless because it's never going to happen. In the North, recent polls suggest that self-declared Catholics there (a fairly close proxy for Irish nationals, since most will claim Irish citizenship) do not want to see Irish unity. One look at the current tax rates and the broken economy of the Republic would deter any idealistic tendencies .Plus everyone knows that any future attempt to dragoon a minority of Unionist hardliners into a United Ireland is a guarantee of mayhem and the return to wide-scale terrorism.

I've no doubt that over time, the situation will evolve in directions we don't yet anticipate.

I'd like to see a united Ireland - but it would be a very different place from the Catholic "Republic" envisioned by John Charles McQuaid.

But before that could happen, there'd have to be enormous cultural shifts throughout Northern Ireland - and I don't see this happening soon, if at all.

I'd like to see a United Ireland - but if the people there decide to remain part of Britain in a fair vote, then I'll be content with that.

Is this a pious feel-good aspiration for a united Ireland - perhaps - but it is also the democratic one.

Also - the Northern Question isn't the sole issue involved in Irish Nationalism. It also has to do with sovereignty of the Republic as things stand - and the last decade has shown an increasing discomfort with the loss of sovereignty to the EU and in particular, the European Commission.

Irish unity is not an active preoccupation for the overwhelming majority of people in the Republic. Those who would claim to favour the concept of a United Ireland would do so in much the same way that they might be in favour of a cure for cancer, but equally do fuck all about it. In fact even the theoretical prospect of a united Ireland may not be especially attractive to most people in the Republic. The North enjoys a massive subsidy from the UK exchequer- who is going to pick up the tab?- the benighted citizens of the Republic already groaning under the yoke of swingeing Income tax , PRSI, Universal Social Charge and Local Property Taxes needed to pay off the legacy of venal gombeen capitalism.

I agree with all of this.

[Galaxian]

From what I've seen, there was no attack or murder. All those involved were operatives or patsies. Total HOAX

[pErvinalia]

Fricken' false flag, again!

[Galaxian]

Fricken' false flag, again!

No it was NOT a false flag. A false flag is when an event, such as a murder or explosion, is done by one mob, but blamed on another. Such as 9/11, where a Mossad + CIA operation was blamed on the CIA asset known as Al Qaeda.

The Woolwich incident was a plain hoax or conjuring trick. No one was killed (at least at the site). The soldier was playing possum on the road. The 2 Nigerians pretended to hack into him. The women who came to the body were MI5/MI6 operatives (one of whom has been identified).

How do we know this? There was no blood on the pavement, road, or the assailant's clothes

[Rum]

How do we know this? Because other inmates told us?

[pErvinalia]

[DaveDodo007]

I may be more of a nationalist than most irish nationals... I have this hostility for the english ingrained by 3 centuries of family tradition... We may be French now, but the mix still is there.
Éirinn ag' Alba go Brách

Fuck off frenchie, we saved your arse in the Falklands war and if it wasn't for us you would be speaking Indonesian right now.

#shitathistory

[Mysturji]

Fricken' false flag, again!

No it was NOT a false flag. A false flag is when an event, such as a murder or explosion, is done by one mob, but blamed on another. Such as 9/11, where a Mossad + CIA operation was blamed on the CIA asset known as Al Qaeda.

The Woolwich incident was a plain hoax or conjuring trick. No one was killed (at least at the site). The soldier was playing possum on the road. The 2 Nigerians pretended to hack into him. The women who came to the body were MI5/MI6 operatives (one of whom has been identified).

How do we know this? There was no blood on the pavement, road, or the assailant's clothes