Go to London..but don't lose your head over it!

[Rum]

I watched the two videos. I watched the news and followed the story. I have no reason to believe you and your lot are anything but loopy. I ain't no sheeple bud.

[PsychoSerenity]

If I'm wrong, prove it. Galaxian posted some videos with lines of inquiry. What were your responses? Just burping & farting. Aren't rational people supposed to come up with counter arguments? Evidence that I had missed? Here's some more evidence. I don't look forward to drunken vomits all over the thread. If you want to belch, simply do it elsewhere, out of sight of polite company. But if you have factual opposing ideas then let's see them:

Aside from as an exercise in futility, there is no point in trying to continually counter the conspiracies. The number of things people can point at claiming they are evidence of something sinister is limitless, and it takes far more effort to debunk them than for the theorists to move on to something new.

In this case, what has been reported by the media at large, ties up neatly with a whole load of independent witness statements and videos. The conspiracy theories on the other hand, disregard the majority of this evidence and contradict each other in their attempt to find something wrong.

If there really is a conspiracy and you want to uncover it, you'd better do some rigorous research, gather real information from new sources with evidence that genuinely contradicts the official story. Simply posting youtube videos that repeat what we've all already seen but that claim it to be false, presenting them as evidence, and then expecting us to do the hard work and prove them wrong, - is just going to get you marked down as a nutter. Anybody can keep "asking questions" but after two or three of them have been shown to be absurd it becomes irrational to keep listening to them.

[Seth]

So, I viewed both videos and here's my professional law-enforcement investigator's conclusion based on the evidence presented:

Bullshit conspiracy theorizing and deliberately mendacious evidence manipulation.

First, the Google images showing CCTV cameras are at best inconclusive. In one example, showing the wall of the barracks behind the posts with the fence to the left, it's perfectly clear that the camera is aimed parallel to the wall, not in the direction of the incident. This sort of camera placement is common and is often combined with electronic motion monitoring that only triggers recording when motion is sensed within the camera frame.

Second, the viewing angle of the other CCTV cameras is inconclusive as well, as there is no overhead shot of the scene showing precisely where the body and car were in relation to any of the cameras, or indicating in which direction the cameras were pointed at the time of the incident. An overhead view would be very helpful in assessing the veracity of the claims, and is a basic piece of evidence that any credible investigator would look at FIRST, to determine camera location and angle of view.

Third, the "no blood" claim is simply not true. While there is no obvious evidence of blood in the street, there is substantial blood on the sidewalk to the right of the body, in front of the car. It's entirely possible that the body exsanguinated there and was dragged or moved to the street by the attackers.

Fourth, the cut-away to the car crashing into the highway sign is irrelevant because the sign on the street is of an entirely different design, and is clearly, from the photographs, NOT a "breakaway" sign, which are usually only found on high-speed highways, not on urban streets.

Fifth, the video analyzing the blood on the back of the hand has been misinterpreted by the editor. The reason that the blood on the hand disappears has two causes: First, as the killer walks away his entire body is turning away from the camera, and his right hand twists EVEN MORE than the body, turning the palm towards, and the back of the hand away from the camera.

It's extremely significant that the editor of this video chose two frames almost ONE SECOND apart to demonstrate his claim.

If he were being honest, he would show the PROGRESSION of the video, frame by frame, from one point to the next...there should be about 24 frames or so between the two images he chose that would likely show the hand turning as I suggest.

All in all it's a very poor "investigative" attempt and clearly looks to me like a concocted conspiracy theory sham.

[Rum]

Well done there Seth. Credit where it is due.

[HomerJay]

If I'm wrong, prove it.

IOW

Won't someone please engage with my shit

It's the troll's mantra.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

If I'm wrong, prove it.

IOW

Won't someone please engage with my shit

It's the troll's mantra.

So, Galaxian is really Seth?

[Ian]

Could you guys stop engaging with him? If he's bullshitting us (still my opinion) then he's just having some troll fun at our expense. If he's serious, then you're bothering to debate with someone who has all the deductive reasoning skills of a rhesus monkey. Either way, it's to his advantage.

" Never argue with an idiot. They will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience." Mark Twain

[Rum]

Could you guys stop engaging with him? If he's bullshitting us (still my opinion) then he's just having some troll fun at our expense. If he's serious, then you're bothering to debate with someone who has all the deductive reasoning skills of a rhesus monkey. Either way, it's to his advantage.

" Never argue with an idiot. They will bring you down to their level and beat you with experience." Mark Twain

But it is fun!

[Ian]

True.

[Sean Hayden]

Sean should confess he hasn't watched the videos or read certain posts.

[Jason]

This is Спарта! .. I mean 'madness'.

[laklak]

No, this is SPARTA!

[JimC]

Well you make a good point Sean, however it is a point which actually supports mine as well. The fact that such blunders are commonplace in government circles both makes is harder to organise a piss up in a brewery and keep it secret and at the same time makes it likely that if you think you have a water tight plan something is bound to go wrong. Either way the thing that makes capital of such blunders is the paranoid mind. Confirmation bias is everything to the likes of Galaxian.

You've ignored 4 critical aspects:
1) Compartmentalization.
2) Line of Command, pyramid structure.
3) Who gives a toss? Errors & mistakes are part of the FUN, & the daring-do.
4) The inclination of sheeple to accept whatever pap they're fed, without question. With just a 5 minute attention span

And you missed something vital as well...

We really don't give a shit about the mindless drivel that comprises your posting output...

[charlou]

galaxian .. How did the death happen, if not the way reported? Or do you not believe there's a dead man? There are a number of people involved in the investigation of a death and the handling of a dead body. Have you interviewed them?

[charlou]

heh nm ... either you're winding people up, or there's no reasoning with you.

either way, it's not important what you think.