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[Sean Hayden]

Again, public schools must serve all students and meet other requirements unique to them as public schools. Therefore, public schools would be competing for the same funds against schools that operate under different rules. That's not a competition, it's a sham.

[JimC]

Very much the same situation here, Sean. Wealthy private schools can expel students (or selectively choose them at the beginning), but our state schools have to take everybody, and expelling a student is very difficult. Catholic schools are somewhere in-between - expulsion is easier than in state schools, but still a long drawn-out process...

In any case, both the wealthy private schools and the Catholic sector still receive quite a lot of government funding, quite ludicrous in the case of the high fee schools...

[rasetsu]

Mike Johnson is going to try to pass a clean CR. I hope he brings lube.

[JimC]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-11-12/ ... /103093812

US senator Tommy Tuberville has been accused of playing a role in a senior general's heart attack, had his actions labelled "ridiculous" by the president, and had Rolling Stone ask if he's "the most ignorant man in DC".

Even some of his Republican colleagues are publicly turning on him, accusing him of waging a "national security suicide mission".

But so far, the former college football coach is holding firm.

For nine months, the first-time Alabama senator and vocal Trump supporter has been single-handedly blocking the confirmation of military nominations and promotions.

That's leaving key positions in the navy, army and air force unfilled, and forcing some senior officers to perform multiple roles.

More than 450 positions are on hold as a result of Senator Tuberville's protest.

But his hold on the appointments apparently has nothing to do with his objection to any individual's advancement through the ranks. In fact, he says they are all worthy of promotion.

It's a protest against a Pentagon abortion policy.

China and Russia are rubbing their hands with glee, of course...

I sometimes wonder whether the US has some sort of national suicide tendency...

[Cunt]

Again, public schools must serve all students and meet other requirements unique to them as public schools. Therefore, public schools would be competing for the same funds against schools that operate under different rules. That's not a competition, it's a sham.

'ALL students'?

They don't do that now, so how does that compute?

Why is it a sham, to have schools forced into competition for student business?

Is it better when they HAVE to pay for public school, even when the school sucks ass? I'm not suggesting that a public school be forced to exclude anyone, quite the opposite. They'll seek and work to attract students, since they come with the public funding attached.

Sure, some would rather charge more, and exclude the poors (or the foreigners, or the intellectually disabled) but won't it STILL be good for parents to be able to pick their favourite from among the schools in their list?

[Tero]

Johson has goofy plan
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/spe ... =104823301
very Trumpian. No money for foreigners.

[pErvinalia]

Again, public schools must serve all students and meet other requirements unique to them as public schools. Therefore, public schools would be competing for the same funds against schools that operate under different rules. That's not a competition, it's a sham.

'ALL students'?

They don't do that now, so how does that compute?

Why is it a sham, to have schools forced into competition for student business?

Is it better when they HAVE to pay for public school, even when the school sucks ass? I'm not suggesting that a public school be forced to exclude anyone, quite the opposite. They'll seek and work to attract students, since they come with the public funding attached.

Sure, some would rather charge more, and exclude the poors (or the foreigners, or the intellectually disabled) but won't it STILL be good for parents to be able to pick their favourite from among the schools in their list?

Public education shouldn't be a competition. It's a floor that is there for all people in society if they need it.

[Sean Hayden]

Again, public schools must serve all students and meet other requirements unique to them as public schools. Therefore, public schools would be competing for the same funds against schools that operate under different rules. That's not a competition, it's a sham.

'ALL students'?

They don't do that now, so how does that compute?

Why is it a sham, to have schools forced into competition for student business?

Is it better when they HAVE to pay for public school, even when the school sucks ass? I'm not suggesting that a public school be forced to exclude anyone, quite the opposite. They'll seek and work to attract students, since they come with the public funding attached.

Sure, some would rather charge more, and exclude the poors (or the foreigners, or the intellectually disabled) but won't it STILL be good for parents to be able to pick their favourite from among the schools in their list?

Yes, all students, and yes public schools do serve all students now.

I already answered why it’s a sham. Public schools operate under different requirements while “competing” for the same funds.

Who’s paying for schools that “suck ass”? In Texas the wealthiest zip code still also has the highest performing district.

However, it’s true that some funds that could be spent in wealthier districts might be given instead to the poorer ones. I guess you could argue that this money should be used to subsidize parent choice in wealthy districts. But that would be strange and the opposite of good citizenship comrade.

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[L'Emmerdeur]

Enjoying your devotion to religious fundamentalists, Cunt? I suspect your "atheism" is a sham...

It seems I should reconsider my dismissal of that hypothesis:

... it looks like plenty must believe the entity installing the 'person' in the body gets it wrong...

That appears to be the opinion of somebody who believes that people are the product of an entity, rather than purely the result of natural processes.

Maybe beginning to see the light, or even already washed in the blood of the savior. At least for purpose of trolling.

[Cunt]

That appears to be the opinion of somebody who believes that people are the product of an entity, rather than purely the result of natural processes.

Maybe beginning to see the light, or even already washed in the blood of the savior. At least for purpose of trolling.

Nah, I don't believe a person can be in the 'wrong body'. That implies mis-installation of a soul, or something. Clearly hogwash. The 'person' inside any body is their body, not something from another body.

A person can wish they were a dolphin, they can identify as a dolphin, but they can't actually be a dolphin, since their mind (and everything else) is non-dolphin and never has been.

[JimC]

The dolphin crap is meaningless, a classic straw man. No one who is sane does that sort of "identify".

But the reality is that there are people who strongly and consistently identify as a gender different to which they were assigned at birth. They are not being pressured or ideologically manipulated, it is their own deeply felt personal reality. They need to have options to live as the person they truly feel themselves to be, with or without medical intervention.

There needs to be care taken in terms of young people making irrevocable decisions, and maybe there have been cases where medical actions have been too precipitate. This simply mean taking more time, and more careful counselling.

[Cunt]

The dolphin crap is meaningless, a classic straw man. No one who is sane does that sort of "identify".

But the reality is that there are people who strongly and consistently identify as a gender different to which they were assigned at birth. They are not being pressured or ideologically manipulated, it is their own deeply felt personal reality. They need to have options to live as the person they truly feel themselves to be, with or without medical intervention.

There needs to be care taken in terms of young people making irrevocable decisions, and maybe there have been cases where medical actions have been too precipitate. This simply mean taking more time, and more careful counselling.

As the lawsuits roll forward, and you have a chance to hear more of the complaints, maybe you're empathy will tune in.

When you say 'they are not being pressured or ideologically manipulated', do you mean Chloe Cole? Or did you skip over her experiences?

Jazz Jennings (in Republican-run Florida) got told to keep jamming that dilator into their neovagina, or Mom would wring their neck.

Does that count as 'pressure'? Do you insist that the counselers who wrought that result just need more time? Or is it barely possible that with the pressure psychologists are under to 'affirm' is the kind of pressure that leads to mistakes?

[Joe]

The dolphin crap is meaningless, a classic straw man. No one who is sane does that sort of "identify".

But the reality is that there are people who strongly and consistently identify as a gender different to which they were assigned at birth. They are not being pressured or ideologically manipulated, it is their own deeply felt personal reality. They need to have options to live as the person they truly feel themselves to be, with or without medical intervention.

There needs to be care taken in terms of young people making irrevocable decisions, and maybe there have been cases where medical actions have been too precipitate. This simply mean taking more time, and more careful counselling.

As the lawsuits roll forward, and you have a chance to hear more of the complaints, maybe you're empathy will tune in.

When you say 'they are not being pressured or ideologically manipulated', do you mean Chloe Cole? Or did you skip over her experiences?

Jazz Jennings (in Republican-run Florida) got told to keep jamming that dilator into their neovagina, or Mom would wring their neck.

Does that count as 'pressure'? Do you insist that the counselers who wrought that result just need more time? Or is it barely possible that with the pressure psychologists are under to 'affirm' is the kind of pressure that leads to mistakes?

So you're implying that Jim lacks empathy because he thinks people with gender dysphoria deserve options to resolve the conflict between what they feel themselves to be and the reality of their body?

[Cunt]

No, look at what I said.

I asked if he considered a detransitioner who shared a story publicly, when he made a blanket statement.

Then I asked if other public events count as 'pressure', or if known pressure on psychologists is pressuring them into errors.

Why try to read what I'm implying, while ignoring what I said? Do you have comments on my questions? Or are you just here to insert your imagined meaning into my words?

[Joe]

No, look at what I said.

I asked if he considered a detransitioner who shared a story publicly, when he made a blanket statement.

Then I asked if other public events count as 'pressure', or if known pressure on psychologists is pressuring them into errors.

Why try to read what I'm implying, while ignoring what I said? Do you have comments on my questions? Or are you just here to insert your imagined meaning into my words?

Why do you object so much to a clarifying question? Why make it about me instead of simply answering the question?