The most difficult social situation I've encountered.

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The most difficult social situation I've encountered.

Post by Lozzer » Fri Jul 24, 2009 2:42 pm

The other week I was walking with my friend through town, we had just finished college for the summer. His name is Edvinas, and he is an immigrant from Lithuania. He is an official British citizen now, but he hasn't been here long enough to understand why some sects of society hate him. His English is OK, although slightly broken at times. As we walked he brought up a rather political subject for once. During the build up to the EU elections, many parties advertised their name and their most popular policies. The main perpetrator seeking awareness was the right-wing party, UKIP.

Edvinas was telling me how he read one of their billboards. The Billboard stated 'Say No To Unlimited Immigration!' and featured an image of a fat man in a suite. He asked me why they hated him, and why they thought he shouldn't be here. He pleaded with me for some reason, and kept on going on about how he's learned all about British culture and British ideals. I wasn't the one who needed convincing, but he was trying to answer his own question. He carried on, he was now trying to reassure me that he and his family pay taxes and behave. I don't think this was completely sparked by being rather insulted by a UKIP billboard, no I think some people who are fans of party have challenged him before and now he believes the entire country has something against him. He's suffered xenophobic attacks before, but only trifle ones which were duly sorted out by the Lithuanian gangs (apparently, the local Lithuanian community looks after itself rather well).

It was like he was a child who had been beaten for a long time by those who he trusted, and now couldn't accept that not every figure who befriends him has a sadist agenda. I had to explain to him what was the matter with fascists, and who they are and what they believe. Listening to his ramblings, I had an epiphany that the only real excuse UKIP has to deplore him is because he's different. Its never been about immigrants destroying British culture, or demanding special privileges, it has and always will be a resentment of anyone who is different.

Learning this, I hate the extreme right even more.

The whole thing did give me a chuckle though. Ed seemed to think the fat man on the poster was the leader of the party. At one point he called the black and white figure "a fat racist basard".

I haven't got a picture of the exact billboard, but here's one of their posters. They aren't very different.

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Post by devogue » Fri Jul 24, 2009 2:51 pm

What's fascist about saying no to unlimited immigration? :dono:

I wouldn't describe UKIP as extreme right wing. Their policies do address immigration, but specifically illegal immigration (which does not affect your friend) and there is nothing fascistic about them at all.

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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Jul 24, 2009 2:56 pm

"The Billboard stated 'Say No To Unlimited Immigration!' and featured an image of a fat man in a suite."

You're just trying to wind me up, aren't you? :pissed:
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Post by Clinton Huxley » Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:04 pm

The poster is disingenuous as no party says "Yes" to unlimited immigration.

And Nigel Farage is a twat.

Is this a face that should avoid a slap?


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Post by Clinton Huxley » Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:10 pm

Of some relevance - though UKIP and the BNP "appeal" to different constituencies, some of their policies are in alignment, which leads to....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... e-BNP.html
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Post by Lozzer » Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:38 pm

Devogue wrote:What's fascist about saying no to unlimited immigration? :dono:

I wouldn't describe UKIP as extreme right wing. Their policies do address immigration, but specifically illegal immigration (which does not affect your friend) and there is nothing fascistic about them at all.

Its incredibly prickish, and anyone who wishes to come here legally should be able to do so.
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Post by Lozzer » Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:53 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:"The Billboard stated 'Say No To Unlimited Immigration!' and featured an image of a fat man in a suite."

You're just trying to wind me up, aren't you? :pissed:

It was an accurate description, but not an extensive one. I forgot to mention he was bold, brutish and incoherent. Offensive but true.

Isn't he that guy that hurt Hitler?
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Re: The most difficult social situation I've encountered.

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:55 pm

Lozzer wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:"The Billboard stated 'Say No To Unlimited Immigration!' and featured an image of a fat man in a suite."

You're just trying to wind me up, aren't you? :pissed:

It was an accurate description, but not an extensive one. I forgot to mention he was bold, brutish and incoherent. Offensive but true.

Isn't he that guy that hurt Hitler?
No, that was Neville Chamberlain. Everything went to hell after Neville stopped calling him. One glorious night together, then not even a card. Bastard.
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Post by Lozzer » Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:56 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:
Lozzer wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:"The Billboard stated 'Say No To Unlimited Immigration!' and featured an image of a fat man in a suite."

You're just trying to wind me up, aren't you? :pissed:

It was an accurate description, but not an extensive one. I forgot to mention he was bold, brutish and incoherent. Offensive but true.

Isn't he that guy that hurt Hitler?
No, that was Neville Chamberlain. Everything went to hell after Neville stopped calling him. One glorious night together, then not even a card. Bastard.

Who?
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Re: The most difficult social situation I've encountered.

Post by klr » Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:58 pm

Lozzer wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:
Lozzer wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:"The Billboard stated 'Say No To Unlimited Immigration!' and featured an image of a fat man in a suite."

You're just trying to wind me up, aren't you? :pissed:

It was an accurate description, but not an extensive one. I forgot to mention he was bold, brutish and incoherent. Offensive but true.

Isn't he that guy that hurt Hitler?
No, that was Neville Chamberlain. Everything went to hell after Neville stopped calling him. One glorious night together, then not even a card. Bastard.

Who?
Please tell me you're joking. :nono:
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Re: The most difficult social situation I've encountered.

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:58 pm

Lozzer wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:
Lozzer wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:"The Billboard stated 'Say No To Unlimited Immigration!' and featured an image of a fat man in a suite."

You're just trying to wind me up, aren't you? :pissed:

It was an accurate description, but not an extensive one. I forgot to mention he was bold, brutish and incoherent. Offensive but true.

Isn't he that guy that hurt Hitler?
No, that was Neville Chamberlain. Everything went to hell after Neville stopped calling him. One glorious night together, then not even a card. Bastard.

Who?
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Post by Lozzer » Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:59 pm

Of course I know who Neville Longbottem is :hehe: silly!
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Post by devogue » Fri Jul 24, 2009 3:59 pm

Lozzer wrote:
Devogue wrote:What's fascist about saying no to unlimited immigration? :dono:

I wouldn't describe UKIP as extreme right wing. Their policies do address immigration, but specifically illegal immigration (which does not affect your friend) and there is nothing fascistic about them at all.

Its incredibly prickish, and anyone who wishes to come here legally should be able to do so.
By anyone you must also mean any amount, but that would be nuts.

For instance, imagine an influx of ten or fifteen million people entering the UK in the next two years. The private sector is contracting and people are losing their jobs as it is, so where are these new arrivals going to work? Where are they going to live? The country would collapse under the pressure.

Immigration is generally a good thing, but I think a strict point system like New Zealand's is better than just opening the doors to everyone.

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Post by Lozzer » Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:00 pm

Devogue wrote:
Lozzer wrote:
Devogue wrote:What's fascist about saying no to unlimited immigration? :dono:

I wouldn't describe UKIP as extreme right wing. Their policies do address immigration, but specifically illegal immigration (which does not affect your friend) and there is nothing fascistic about them at all.

Its incredibly prickish, and anyone who wishes to come here legally should be able to do so.
By anyone you must also mean any amount, but that would be nuts.

For instance, imagine an influx of ten or fifteen million people entering the UK in the next two years. The private sector is contracting and people are losing their jobs as it is, so where are these new arrivals going to work? Where are they going to live? The country would collapse under the pressure.

Immigration is generally a good thing, but I think a strict point system like New Zealand's is better than just opening the doors to everyone.
But lets suppose those fifteen million were working instead of British people. So what?
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Post by devogue » Fri Jul 24, 2009 4:05 pm

Lozzer wrote:
Devogue wrote:
Lozzer wrote:
Devogue wrote:What's fascist about saying no to unlimited immigration? :dono:

I wouldn't describe UKIP as extreme right wing. Their policies do address immigration, but specifically illegal immigration (which does not affect your friend) and there is nothing fascistic about them at all.

Its incredibly prickish, and anyone who wishes to come here legally should be able to do so.
By anyone you must also mean any amount, but that would be nuts.

For instance, imagine an influx of ten or fifteen million people entering the UK in the next two years. The private sector is contracting and people are losing their jobs as it is, so where are these new arrivals going to work? Where are they going to live? The country would collapse under the pressure.

Immigration is generally a good thing, but I think a strict point system like New Zealand's is better than just opening the doors to everyone.
But lets suppose those fifteen million were working instead of British people. So what?
If there are jobs, healthcare, housing and education provisions for an influx of 15 million people then happy days, get them in.

But there aren't. The private sector is shrinking and there are less jobs for everyone here at the moment, both the indigenous and the immigrant population - the anecdotes about 500 people applying for a couple of jobs seem to be true (my ex sales assisitant told me this happened to her in Belfast).

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