The Most Fucked Up Logic Ever

[Drewish]

My mother always told me that there were starving kids in China, and that I ever met them they'd eat me if I didn't eat them first, so I'd better finish my dinner as practice...

[Chinaski]

Secondly, there's no actual evolutionary benefit to 'faith' that has been demonstrated.

Oh I didn't say that it did. But one should keep in mind that the atheist movement is fairly male-heavy (at least in the US) for example, so if I were a single male looking for a date, it would actually potentially advantageous to be a believer. Self-interest alone does not a justification for atheism make.

But that's a fallacy. Just because it might be advantageous doesn't mean it's right, let alone true.

[Drewish]

That's exactly what I said! I was claiming that self-interest is not the same a morally correct (that the truth is more important), which means that (on that point at least) I'm in agreement with the author of this article and not PZ.

[lordpasternack]

Here's PZ's take with link to original article from which the quote is mined (as AiG didn't have the decency to do it).

Where?

[Animavore]

I put the link on to the post.

[Ian]

[tattuchu]

"Myers admits there is no morality or anything that imposes it either (i.e., God) in his worldview."
Fail from the first sentence. Of course there's such a thing as morality, only we ourselves define it and impose it upon ourselves. The point is that the Universe is indifferent, and there's no god pulling the strings. From here on in the article, the logic just gets more twisted and convoluted as fallacies and erroneous conclusions get intertwined into one big clusterfuck.

Amusing that Myers is accused of "hate speech" for presumably calling creationism out for what it is: bollocks

[MrFungus420]

I can beat it:

http://objectiveministries.org/creation/kangaroo.html

Allow me to titillate with a brief quote:

"As you can see, the logic is inescapable -- Kangaroos must have once lived in the Middle East."

[tattuchu]

Actually, it makes sense (based on what PZ said.) If in fact it turns out that it's more beneficial to survival (either personal, genetic or ideological) to have a faith element in one's belief system, then it will in fact beat out rational thought based on the principles of evolution (even if you don't believe in evolution.) That's one of the reasons I reject postmodernism.

I don't think there's an advantage to religious faith per se, but there's an advantage to accepting things on faith to a certain extent. You have to listen to what your parents tell you when you're very young to keep you safe, for instance, because you don't know any better. This has the unfortunate side effect, however, of yielding religious faith as a by-product

[maiforpeace]

http://www.answersingenesis.org/article ... -scripture

Read it and try not to let your jaw hit the floor too hard.

I'm more interested in reading about the exchange between you, Rumerton and a bunch of grapes.

I can beat it:

http://objectiveministries.org/creation/kangaroo.html

Allow me to titillate with a brief quote:

"As you can see, the logic is inescapable -- Kangaroos must have once lived in the Middle East."

WTF is a degree in theobiology?