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Re: Scientific Proof Of God

Post by Hermit » Tue Aug 08, 2017 1:27 pm

Forty Two wrote:We need the thought experiments so people learn to figure stuff out, and not just parrot what they're told or believe the pictures they see.

If we go by what we "observe" then indeed, flat earthers are doing that. As Asimov wrote in the piece to which I linked, the flat Earth theory was very nearly right, which is why it persisted for so long.

Of course the photo evidence is good, but it also relies on the accuracy of the photograph and the veracity of the photographer. The methods in the article I linked to do not rely on photographs.

One could also take a flight in an airplane, and see evidence of the curvature of the Earth, but for people to really understand science and also critical analysis (real critical analysis of information), they have to be able to think. And, Flat Earth is a really good example to use with people to show how most of them will laugh at a Flat Earther without being able to demonstrate why they believe the Earth is spherical.

It's also important to force oneself to justify what one thinks is the most obvious or the things most taken for granted. I'm not saying people ought to waste their whole lives doing that. But, it's important to have done it. Why do I believe what I believe? People often believe in gods the same way they believe the Earth is round or flat - it seems obvious to them - it seems unquestionable, a given. It's by examining our most dearly held beliefs or our foregone conclusions that we learn both wisdom and humility, and we stop mocking and laughing at people who lack such wisdom, humility or the wit to figure things out.
Good points all, but I don't mind taking this shortcut when it comes to the question: "How do we know the Earth is spheroid?"



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Re: Scientific Proof Of God

Post by Brian Peacock » Tue Aug 08, 2017 8:38 pm

This is all well and good, but nobody is actually arguing for a flat Earth.
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Re: Scientific Proof Of God

Post by JimC » Tue Aug 08, 2017 9:13 pm

Brian Peacock wrote:This is all well and good, but nobody is actually arguing for a flat Earth.
Except the Dutch, of course - they know no better, poor things...
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Re: Scientific Proof Of God

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Brian Peacock wrote:This is all well and good, but nobody is actually arguing for a flat Earth.
No, but pErvin seems to be of the impression it is flat. Our banter is an attempt to elicit some kind of proof for it.
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Re: Scientific Proof Of God

Post by superuniverse » Wed Aug 09, 2017 7:02 am

like the entire atheist community, they fight straw man arguments from thousands of years ago that predate even Aristotle's flawed conception of the universe...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth

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Post by pErvinalia » Wed Aug 09, 2017 7:30 am

What strawman arguments? Hermit's picture above shows conclusively that the earth isn't flat.
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Post by Alan B » Wed Aug 09, 2017 7:31 am

Oh Gawd! So this 'Arry Stotle bloke put forward this idea - based on guesswork - over 2,000 years ago. It's 'Ancient' and written down in ancient Greek so it must be true! :fp:
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Post by JimC » Wed Aug 09, 2017 7:39 am

Alan B wrote:Oh Gawd! So this 'Arry Stotle bloke put forward this idea - based on guesswork - over 2,000 years ago. It's 'Ancient' and written down in ancient Greek so it must be true! :fp:
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Re: Scientific Proof Of God

Post by Forty Two » Wed Aug 09, 2017 12:41 pm

In general, we at the Flat Earth Society do not lend much credibility to photographic evidence. It is too easily manipulated and altered. Many of the videos posted here to "prove a round earth" by showing curvature will show no curvature or even concave curvature at parts. The sources are so inaccurate it's difficult to build an argument on them in either case. Furthermore, barrel distortion and other quirks of modern cameras will cause a picture to distort in ways which may not be immediately obvious or apparent, especially without references within the picture. Photographs are also prone to distortion when taken through the bent glass of a pressurized cabin as well as atmospheric conditions on the outside. With this litany of problems, it's easy to see why photographic evidence is not to be trusted.

It's also worth noting that if a person were to look down at the earth from high above, they would expect to see a circular shape where the sun's spotlight was shining. This explains why high altitude photographs are generally curved to produce the illusion of a round horizon.
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Re: Scientific Proof Of God

Post by Hermit » Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:20 pm

pErvin wrote:What strawman arguments? Hermit's picture above shows conclusively that the earth isn't flat.
...and Dennis Markuze never claimed the earth was flat. You, however, said you believe it is. :hehe:
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Post by pErvinalia » Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:21 pm

I know it is. Galaxian told me.
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Re: Scientific Proof Of God

Post by Forty Two » Wed Aug 09, 2017 2:29 pm

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Re: Scientific Proof Of God

Post by laklak » Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:41 pm

pErvin wrote:What strawman arguments? Hermit's picture above shows conclusively that the earth isn't flat.
Nope. You're looking at it from the top, like a poker chip lying on a table. The dark bit is just the shadow of the moon. :prof:
Yeah well that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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Re: Scientific Proof Of God

Post by Brian Peacock » Wed Aug 09, 2017 4:54 pm

superuniverse wrote:like the entire atheist community, they fight straw man arguments from thousands of years ago that predate even Aristotle's flawed conception of the universe...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth

If you got some balls, fight MABUS... the 21st century atheist's worst nightmare...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJpRGpc6iic
Mabus was a very disturbed individual who presented the persona of an absolute cunt. We knew it, he knew it, everybody knew it. Perhaps the counselling and therapy sorted him out - but I doubt it? We'll never know eh?
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