DaveDodo007... I mean... Rationalskepticism,lol.

[Hermit]

However, unlike others, Tyrannical is openly and avowedly racist in most of his posts, not simply discussing the subject. Maybe others were incorrectly banned, but if openly making racist comments is against the Ratskep FUA, then it was legitimate, at least for him.

Yes, but as Warren Dew (and others) mentioned, other members keep breaking the forum rules without being banned. We all know that Al Capone got a 20 year gaol term for tax evasion, but although he was legitimately prosecuted for his offence, we all know perfectly well that the tax evasion was not ultimately the reason for the sentence.

[JimC]

So, he got sent off the field of play on a technicality...

[Hermit]

Exactly. They couldn't get him for murder, racketeering and so on, so they nailed him for a rule breaking they could prove.

[Mr.Samsa]

However, unlike others, Tyrannical is openly and avowedly racist in most of his posts, not simply discussing the subject. Maybe others were incorrectly banned, but if openly making racist comments is against the Ratskep FUA, then it was legitimate, at least for him.

Yes, but as Warren Dew (and others) mentioned, other members keep breaking the forum rules without being banned. We all know that Al Capone got a 20 year gaol term for tax evasion, but although he was legitimately prosecuted for his offence, we all know perfectly well that the tax evasion was not ultimately the reason for the sentence.

Tyrannical wasn't banned for continually breaking the rules, it was because his posting behavior had reached the point where it was just blatant, explicit racism and no other content was submitted. This meant that he was simply a racist troll and being a troll can be punished with a permaban. The Al Capone analogy doesn't really fit as he wasn't arrested for being a mobster (which would be the comparable outcome to the Ty situation).

[Seth]

So you're claiming Tyrannical isn't a racist? Lol.

No, I'm not. I'm saying that banning even an outspoken racist is an admission of intellectual inferiority and defeat. One should be able to defeat a racist with intellect, reason and facts. If one has to resort to silencing racists then one has lost the debate.

Besides, it's better for racists and other evil ilk (like Marxists) to be known by their words and beliefs. The really dangerous ones (both racists and Marxists) are the cunningly silent ones who conceal their racism and communistic tendencies but who do great harm behind the scenes...like David Duke and Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama.

I prefer to have my evil out in the open where I can see it and challenge it and make others aware of it.

Driving unpopular opinion underground does nothing to dispel the wrongness of the beliefs, it just reinforces them.

It's also an admission of weakness and cowardice.

[Seth]

So you're claiming Tyrannical isn't a racist? Lol.

I don't think he specified Tyr one way or another, although I would be interested in seeing whether Seth thinks Tyr really is a racist, or is just playing word games...

I don't know and I don't care. I assume that everyone here is putting on some kind of persona for the purposes of argument, so I'm never ignorant enough to ascribe characteristics and traits on a member based on what they post.

Only idiots and intolerant boobs do that.

[Robert_S]

So you're claiming Tyrannical isn't a racist? Lol.

I don't think he specified Tyr one way or another, although I would be interested in seeing whether Seth thinks Tyr really is a racist, or is just playing word games...

I don't know and I don't care. I assume that everyone here is putting on some kind of persona for the purposes of argument, so I'm never ignorant enough to ascribe characteristics and traits on a member based on what they post.

Only idiots and intolerant boobs do that.

You say that, in a forum where a large chunk of the members have met personally, have been on Skype; where some have even gotten married.

So, puppet, are you blind or is the puppetmaster blind?

[Seth]

So you're claiming Tyrannical isn't a racist? Lol.

I don't think he specified Tyr one way or another, although I would be interested in seeing whether Seth thinks Tyr really is a racist, or is just playing word games...

I don't know and I don't care. I assume that everyone here is putting on some kind of persona for the purposes of argument, so I'm never ignorant enough to ascribe characteristics and traits on a member based on what they post.

Only idiots and intolerant boobs do that.

You say that, in a forum where a large chunk of the members have met personally, have been on Skype; where some have even gotten married.

So what? That changes nothing.

So, puppet, are you blind or is the puppetmaster blind?

There are none so blind as those who will not see.

[Robert_S]

Yes, you never saw what was staring you in the face because it didn't fit in with your theory.

Typical of communists and libertarians.

[Hermit]

The Al Capone analogy doesn't really fit as he wasn't arrested for being a mobster

It fits precisely because he was not arrested for being a mobster. He was arrested for tax evasion because no way was found to arrest him for being a mobster. Likewise, Tyrannical was banned for his racism, which was - like Capone's tax evasion - an easily proven offence of the rules. The real reason he got nailed, though, was that he did not fit in with the general leanings among those who run the joint. If rules were applied consistently, there'd be quite a few forum members banned permanently because they amassed sufficient infractions of the FUA to warrant such consequence. But they are still around. The infractions are either ignored, or if reported, rationalised away. Aren't you one of the suspended members who has previously pointed that out yourself?

[DaveDodo007]

Civilised society disagrees with racism. The mods aren't special in that regard.

Fuck you, society should agree about open discourse and bad speech should be countered with good speech. Racism and sexism is subjective and you would not like it if a different political sect were allowed to define them terms. You really are a naive fuckwit to give authoritative powers just because your feeling agree with the current ones. Well what could go wrong with that open ended bullshit. Seriously I'm having trouble in not wanting to jump up and down on your fucking head as what you propose is so fucking stupid. Ho my view point is in vogue so lets make it law, it is fucking subjective you fucking imbecile, Jesus. What you think is right for society may be compromised if a different lot become the majority and the only way you can't see this is that you are a fucking idiot.

Edit: Lol, can you imagine me being allowed to post this on ratskep as they are a bunch of anal retentives, pussy crybabies.

[Scott1328]

You would be perfectly welcome to post your bullshi on ratskep if you could figure out how not to engage in personal insults

[DaveDodo007]

However, unlike others, Tyrannical is openly and avowedly racist in most of his posts, not simply discussing the subject. Maybe others were incorrectly banned, but if openly making racist comments is against the Ratskep FUA, then it was legitimate, at least for him.

Yes, but as Warren Dew (and others) mentioned, other members keep breaking the forum rules without being banned. We all know that Al Capone got a 20 year gaol term for tax evasion, but although he was legitimately prosecuted for his offence, we all know perfectly well that the tax evasion was not ultimately the reason for the sentence.

Tyrannical wasn't banned for continually breaking the rules, it was because his posting behavior had reached the point where it was just blatant, explicit racism and no other content was submitted. This meant that he was simply a racist troll and being a troll can be punished with a permaban. The Al Capone analogy doesn't really fit as he wasn't arrested for being a mobster (which would be the comparable outcome to the Ty situation).

So he was racists so what. Can't you counter his racism in open debate? How does banning him show anything but cowardice. Free speech is having to hear view points you don't like, otherwise it is not free speech. If you cannot counter such obvious racism then are you the precious little flower. If you hear opinions you don't like then call them out on it, anything else is being a spineless wonder.

[DaveDodo007]

You would be perfectly welcome to post your bullshi on ratskep if you could figure out how not to engage in personal insults

To be honest that is a fair enough comment but I grew up in a rough area and don't suffer fools gladly. How about giving us pre-internet oldies the benefit of the doubt.

[DaveDodo007]

So you're claiming Tyrannical isn't a racist? Lol.

No, I'm not. I'm saying that banning even an outspoken racist is an admission of intellectual inferiority and defeat. One should be able to defeat a racist with intellect, reason and facts. If one has to resort to silencing racists then one has lost the debate.

Besides, it's better for racists and other evil ilk (like Marxists) to be known by their words and beliefs. The really dangerous ones (both racists and Marxists) are the cunningly silent ones who conceal their racism and communistic tendencies but who do great harm behind the scenes...like David Duke and Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama.

I prefer to have my evil out in the open where I can see it and challenge it and make others aware of it.

Driving unpopular opinion underground does nothing to dispel the wrongness of the beliefs, it just reinforces them.

It's also an admission of weakness and cowardice.

Well said, at least my generation of lefties had the ghost of George Orwell hanging over us aka 1984 was a warning and not a manual. The current crop of lefties are authoritarian and anti free speech and freedom that me being a lefty I'm left thinking how did I end up down this retarded rabbit hole. I was more than happy to call out the creationist knobheads and rightly so but nothing shocked me as when the the left wing went all post modernism to justify their crazy ideology. I'm a scientist and the left and right wing can go and fuck themselves when they no longer believe in freedom of speech.