DaveDodo007... I mean... Rationalskepticism,lol.

[Scott1328]

The owner of RatSkep made the rules and decided that he didn't want racist, sexist, or homophobic speech on his privately owned forum. one of the banned topics(I.e. Holocaust denial) is that way because of the laws in Germany. In any case, discussions about racism, sexism, homophobia, and even about the holocaust are allowed.

[Beatsong]

So he was racists so what. Can't you counter his racism in open debate?

Yes. But I can't be bothered as I only have so much time available; and it won't make any difference to his determination to keep spouting it. People like that will just carry on spewing their shit no matter how many times they're shown to be wrong. So I'm happy to have a forum where it's just not tolerated.

I don't quite understand why you think it should be our responsibility to see and respond to whatever puerile nonsense some misguided souls want to put out there. If I invite someone to my house and they start talking offensive, moronic bullshit that offends myself and my guests, I may at first try to reason with them. If they show themselves incapable of reason and just keep doing it, eventually I'll just stop inviting them. It's not my fucking responsibility to put up with crap I don't like, don't learn anything from, find revolting and would rather not be bothered with. I have every right just to choose not to have it in my environment - to the extent that I have control over my environment.

An internet forum is no different. LIFE set up RatSkep, and there is a bunch of rules defining the limits of what's posted there. Most people like that those rules keep stuff like race hate out. Those who don't like it, don't have to go there. So what's the problem, exactly?

How does banning him show anything but cowardice. Free speech is having to hear view points you don't like, otherwise it is not free speech.

What does free speech have to do with anything? Do you see anything at RatSkep saying that it sets itself up as a bastion of absolute free speech? No. So what does it have to do with anything? You're just imposing your own particular obsession upon it. I might as well shout and rail about the fact that none of the members have chocolate cake recipes in their signatures, because that's what I happen to want to see when I go to an internet forum. It's not RatSkep's responsibility to pander to what I, or you, happen to want.

RatSkep is not a site based on absolute free speech, and doesn't pretend to be. It's a site based on discussion within certain defined and agreed limits. So what's your problem? The fact that it's not the right forum for you? Really, the internet is a VERY big place. I'm sure there are other fora out there that will suit you better. This place is probably a good start.

If you cannot counter such obvious racism then are you the precious little flower. If you hear opinions you don't like then call them out on it, anything else is being a spineless wonder.

Or maybe just someone with better things to do who can't be arsed dealing with every piece of obnoxious hate speech every obnoxious twat wants to throw my way. You seem to be working on the misguided idea that everything comes down to clear, sequential argument with an obvious winner at the end, and that once that winner is established the problem is solved. Internet discussion doesn't work like that, and trolls with agendas know exactly how to keep pushing them no matter what. Yes, I can counter it. And then it just gets repeated. Rinse and repeat. Rinse and repeat.

Sorry, can't be arsed. The racist cunt can go talk to all the other racist cunts. You haven't provided a single good reason why we should have to put up with him.

[Beatsong]

The current crop of lefties are authoritarian and anti free speech and freedom that me being a lefty I'm left thinking how did I end up down this retarded rabbit hole.

Except that's complete bullshit because not being able to go to RatSkep doesn't mean you don't have free speech. Free speech as an abstract concept, applied across the country in general, does not mean that everyone has to be welcome in everyone else's living room, or on everyone else's internet forum.

You seem to be making the common mistake of confusing RatSkep with the world.

[DaveDodo007]

OK, fess up, who would you like to challenge at ratskep under Rationalia loose moderation rules. I'll go first as I'll like to call out that man hating piece of shit Rachel Bronwyn. She is a cunt sucking piece of misanstric low life panty waste. Ideologue retarded maggot who wouldn't know a good argument if it hit her in the face but hasn't been banned at ratskep because of the pussy pass that they give all retarded females. She is one sick motherfucker cum bucket and wouldn't be still posting there if she had different sexual organs.

[Scott1328]

What a pathetic little person you are.

[DaveDodo007]

So he was racists so what. Can't you counter his racism in open debate?

Yes. But I can't be bothered as I only have so much time available; and it won't make any difference to his determination to keep spouting it. People like that will just carry on spewing their shit no matter how many times they're shown to be wrong. So I'm happy to have a forum where it's just not tolerated.

I don't quite understand why you think it should be our responsibility to see and respond to whatever puerile nonsense some misguided souls want to put out there. If I invite someone to my house and they start talking offensive, moronic bullshit that offends myself and my guests, I may at first try to reason with them. If they show themselves incapable of reason and just keep doing it, eventually I'll just stop inviting them. It's not my fucking responsibility to put up with crap I don't like, don't learn anything from, find revolting and would rather not be bothered with. I have every right just to choose not to have it in my environment - to the extent that I have control over my environment.

An internet forum is no different. LIFE set up RatSkep, and there is a bunch of rules defining the limits of what's posted there. Most people like that those rules keep stuff like race hate out. Those who don't like it, don't have to go there. So what's the problem, exactly?

How does banning him show anything but cowardice. Free speech is having to hear view points you don't like, otherwise it is not free speech.

What does free speech have to do with anything? Do you see anything at RatSkep saying that it sets itself up as a bastion of absolute free speech? No. So what does it have to do with anything? You're just imposing your own particular obsession upon it. I might as well shout and rail about the fact that none of the members have chocolate cake recipes in their signatures, because that's what I happen to want to see when I go to an internet forum. It's not RatSkep's responsibility to pander to what I, or you, happen to want.

RatSkep is not a site based on absolute free speech, and doesn't pretend to be. It's a site based on discussion within certain defined and agreed limits. So what's your problem? The fact that it's not the right forum for you? Really, the internet is a VERY big place. I'm sure there are other fora out there that will suit you better. This place is probably a good start.

If you cannot counter such obvious racism then are you the precious little flower. If you hear opinions you don't like then call them out on it, anything else is being a spineless wonder.

Or maybe just someone with better things to do who can't be arsed dealing with every piece of obnoxious hate speech every obnoxious twat wants to throw my way. You seem to be working on the misguided idea that everything comes down to clear, sequential argument with an obvious winner at the end, and that once that winner is established the problem is solved. Internet discussion doesn't work like that, and trolls with agendas know exactly how to keep pushing them no matter what. Yes, I can counter it. And then it just gets repeated. Rinse and repeat. Rinse and repeat.

Sorry, can't be arsed. The racist cunt can go talk to all the other racist cunts. You haven't provided a single good reason why we should have to put up with him.

All good points and an understandable response, though what happened next; they leave and find people with like minded views. Suddenly they are in an echo chamber which their views are unchallenged and even re-enforced. Also you are making it all about you, there might be other people who are willing to debate such extreme views and spend the time doing so. Obviously people who set up their forums can set the limits of free speech and that is their right. Though I will call them on it if the call their sites rational, free speech and/or skeptical. It is better to keep them in the loop and have their ideas challenge than joining some local thug group and indulging in violent crime.

[DaveDodo007]

What a pathetic little person you are.

Sez you, if I wear platform shoes I'm six foot two.

[DaveDodo007]

The current crop of lefties are authoritarian and anti free speech and freedom that me being a lefty I'm left thinking how did I end up down this retarded rabbit hole.

Except that's complete bullshit because not being able to go to RatSkep doesn't mean you don't have free speech. Free speech as an abstract concept, applied across the country in general, does not mean that everyone has to be welcome in everyone else's living room, or on everyone else's internet forum.

You seem to be making the common mistake of confusing RatSkep with the world.

I was talking about free speech in general, though because it was posted on this thread I can't blame you for the confusion.

[Pappa]

Something else, that if you were there and privy you should know. What was THWOTH's stance at the time?

Probably child sex abuse, knowing how depraved that evil bastard is.

[rachelbean]

Personally, I love THWOTH. But, you know, I married Pappa (aka the most awesomest guy alive), so what kind of judge of character am I

[DaveDodo007]

Something else, that if you were there and privy you should know. What was THWOTH's stance at the time?

Probably child sex abuse, knowing how depraved that evil bastard is.

It might be a prerequisite of getting mod powers over there, I wouldn't want to say even if that fact would explain so much. So shame on you for thinking that.

[Seth]

Civilised society disagrees with racism. The mods aren't special in that regard.

Fuck you, society should agree about open discourse and bad speech should be countered with good speech. Racism and sexism is subjective and you would not like it if a different political sect were allowed to define them terms. You really are a naive fuckwit to give authoritative powers just because your feeling agree with the current ones. Well what could go wrong with that open ended bullshit. Seriously I'm having trouble in not wanting to jump up and down on your fucking head as what you propose is so fucking stupid. Ho my view point is in vogue so lets make it law, it is fucking subjective you fucking imbecile, Jesus. What you think is right for society may be compromised if a different lot become the majority and the only way you can't see this is that you are a fucking idiot.

Edit: Lol, can you imagine me being allowed to post this on ratskep as they are a bunch of anal retentives, pussy crybabies.

The error in rEv's statement is demonstrated by the fact that if you call a black person a racist because they hate white folks you'll get banned because it's not politically correct to take note of the fact that some of the most virulent and unapologetic racists are blacks...Al Sharpton being quit high on the list, right under Barack Obama and his evil cunt of a wife.

[Surendra Darathy]

You would be perfectly welcome to post your bullshi on ratskep if you could figure out how not to engage in personal insults

To be honest that is a fair enough comment but I grew up in a rough area and don't suffer fools gladly. How about giving us pre-internet oldies the benefit of the doubt.

Sounds like a plea for affirmative action, if you ask me, with you having grown up in rough area and all, and nothing much to do with age. Oh, forget that. You're the self-made man, and we can see how very much you've made of yourself. If only one could buy one's way in at RatSkep, the way it is with any gentleman's club...

Can't you counter his racism in open debate?

As with the other banned or temporarily-excluded RatSkep whiners here, it's not difficult to see that you don't really care about open debate for everyone, but only care about debate open enough not to exclude you. Naturally, any argument against these positions is wrong, and there's a long list of rationalisations to prove it. The word 'rationalisation' presents, in these cases, a contradiction in terms.

You don't care about open debate for everyone, as your commentary on Rachel Bronwyn amply demonstrates. I'm not even specifically defending Rachel, here. I don't suffer fools gladly, either, so you and I should not disagree about anything, except maybe about which of us is the fool, here.

I'm saying that banning even an outspoken racist is an admission of intellectual inferiority and defeat.

Oh, it's the same old song, but with a different meaning now that you've been gone...

Motown FTW.

[Warren Dew]

Something else, that if you were there and privy you should know. What was THWOTH's stance at the time?

Probably child sex abuse, knowing how depraved that evil bastard is.

It might be a prerequisite of getting mod powers over there, I wouldn't want to say even if that fact would explain so much. So shame on you for thinking that.

I'm pretty sure he's joking there.

[Warren Dew]

So you're claiming Tyrannical isn't a racist? Lol.

No, I'm not. I'm saying that banning even an outspoken racist is an admission of intellectual inferiority and defeat. One should be able to defeat a racist with intellect, reason and facts. If one has to resort to silencing racists then one has lost the debate.

Besides, it's better for racists and other evil ilk (like Marxists) to be known by their words and beliefs. The really dangerous ones (both racists and Marxists) are the cunningly silent ones who conceal their racism and communistic tendencies but who do great harm behind the scenes...like David Duke and Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama.

I prefer to have my evil out in the open where I can see it and challenge it and make others aware of it.

Driving unpopular opinion underground does nothing to dispel the wrongness of the beliefs, it just reinforces them.

It's also an admission of weakness and cowardice.

Well said, at least my generation of lefties had the ghost of George Orwell hanging over us aka 1984 was a warning and not a manual. The current crop of lefties are authoritarian and anti free speech and freedom that me being a lefty I'm left thinking how did I end up down this retarded rabbit hole. I was more than happy to call out the creationist knobheads and rightly so but nothing shocked me as when the the left wing went all post modernism to justify their crazy ideology. I'm a scientist and the left and right wing can go and fuck themselves when they no longer believe in freedom of speech.

Hey, you're not keeping up with the times!

Nowadays, the "right wing" is the libertarians - exactly the part of the right that actually does believe in free speech. The part of the right that believes in suppressing dissent are called "moderates" now, because they at least agree with the "suppressing dissent" part of the current left's agenda.