DaveDodo007... I mean... Rationalskepticism,lol.

[pErvinalia]

Civilised society disagrees with racism. The mods aren't special in that regard.

Fuck you, society should agree about open discourse and bad speech should be countered with good speech. Racism and sexism is subjective and you would not like it if a different political sect were allowed to define them terms. You really are a naive fuckwit to give authoritative powers just because your feeling agree with the current ones. Well what could go wrong with that open ended bullshit. Seriously I'm having trouble in not wanting to jump up and down on your fucking head as what you propose is so fucking stupid. Ho my view point is in vogue so lets make it law, it is fucking subjective you fucking imbecile, Jesus. What you think is right for society may be compromised if a different lot become the majority and the only way you can't see this is that you are a fucking idiot.

You clearly don't understand what racism and sexism are. It doesn't matter who is in the majority. If there's racism and sexism it's uncivil, and only backward retards like yourself have any regard for it.

[pErvinalia]

So you're claiming Tyrannical isn't a racist? Lol.

No, I'm not. I'm saying that banning even an outspoken racist is an admission of intellectual inferiority and defeat. One should be able to defeat a racist with intellect, reason and facts. If one has to resort to silencing racists then one has lost the debate.

Besides, it's better for racists and other evil ilk (like Marxists) to be known by their words and beliefs. The really dangerous ones (both racists and Marxists) are the cunningly silent ones who conceal their racism and communistic tendencies but who do great harm behind the scenes...like David Duke and Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama.

I prefer to have my evil out in the open where I can see it and challenge it and make others aware of it.

Driving unpopular opinion underground does nothing to dispel the wrongness of the beliefs, it just reinforces them.

It's also an admission of weakness and cowardice.

Well said, at least my generation of lefties had the ghost of George Orwell hanging over us aka 1984 was a warning and not a manual. The current crop of lefties are authoritarian and anti free speech and freedom that me being a lefty I'm left thinking how did I end up down this retarded rabbit hole. I was more than happy to call out the creationist knobheads and rightly so but nothing shocked me as when the the left wing went all post modernism to justify their crazy ideology. I'm a scientist and the left and right wing can go and fuck themselves when they no longer believe in freedom of speech.

You really struggle with the basics. Freedom of anything doesn't involve literally unlimited freedom. And I know you've been schooled on this before, but you were probably too busy punching your computer screen to even notice.

[pErvinalia]

So he was racists so what. Can't you counter his racism in open debate?

Yes. But I can't be bothered as I only have so much time available; and it won't make any difference to his determination to keep spouting it. People like that will just carry on spewing their shit no matter how many times they're shown to be wrong. So I'm happy to have a forum where it's just not tolerated.

I don't quite understand why you think it should be our responsibility to see and respond to whatever puerile nonsense some misguided souls want to put out there. If I invite someone to my house and they start talking offensive, moronic bullshit that offends myself and my guests, I may at first try to reason with them. If they show themselves incapable of reason and just keep doing it, eventually I'll just stop inviting them. It's not my fucking responsibility to put up with crap I don't like, don't learn anything from, find revolting and would rather not be bothered with. I have every right just to choose not to have it in my environment - to the extent that I have control over my environment.

This.

[Seth]

Civilised society disagrees with racism. The mods aren't special in that regard.

Fuck you, society should agree about open discourse and bad speech should be countered with good speech. Racism and sexism is subjective and you would not like it if a different political sect were allowed to define them terms. You really are a naive fuckwit to give authoritative powers just because your feeling agree with the current ones. Well what could go wrong with that open ended bullshit. Seriously I'm having trouble in not wanting to jump up and down on your fucking head as what you propose is so fucking stupid. Ho my view point is in vogue so lets make it law, it is fucking subjective you fucking imbecile, Jesus. What you think is right for society may be compromised if a different lot become the majority and the only way you can't see this is that you are a fucking idiot.

You clearly don't understand what racism and sexism are. It doesn't matter who is in the majority. If there's racism and sexism it's uncivil, and only backward retards like yourself have any regard for it.

The problem is that you falsely assume that discussing racism or sexism in any context other than decrying it constitutes racism or sexism, which is not the case.

[Seth]

You really struggle with the basics. Freedom of anything doesn't involve literally unlimited freedom. And I know you've been schooled on this before, but you were probably too busy punching your computer screen to even notice.

Ah, here we go. So how would you propose to limit freedom of speech, pray tell?

[pErvinalia]

Civilised society disagrees with racism. The mods aren't special in that regard.

Fuck you, society should agree about open discourse and bad speech should be countered with good speech. Racism and sexism is subjective and you would not like it if a different political sect were allowed to define them terms. You really are a naive fuckwit to give authoritative powers just because your feeling agree with the current ones. Well what could go wrong with that open ended bullshit. Seriously I'm having trouble in not wanting to jump up and down on your fucking head as what you propose is so fucking stupid. Ho my view point is in vogue so lets make it law, it is fucking subjective you fucking imbecile, Jesus. What you think is right for society may be compromised if a different lot become the majority and the only way you can't see this is that you are a fucking idiot.

You clearly don't understand what racism and sexism are. It doesn't matter who is in the majority. If there's racism and sexism it's uncivil, and only backward retards like yourself have any regard for it.

The problem is that you falsely assume that discussing racism or sexism in any context other than decrying it constitutes racism or sexism, which is not the case.

No, the problem is, you don't have a fucking clue what you are talking about, as usual. I've got not problem with discussing racism or sexism. That's not racism or sexism.

[pErvinalia]

As it is more or less limited now in most of our societies. You can't shout "bomb" on a plane or "fire" in a theatre. And no hate speech.

And, no, I'm not going to explain to you what "hate speech" is. Been there and done that.

[Seth]

No, the problem is, you don't have a fucking clue what you are talking about, as usual. I've got not problem with discussing racism or sexism. That's not racism or sexism.

It is at Ratskep.

[Seth]

As it is more or less limited now in most of our societies. You can't shout "bomb" on a plane or "fire" in a theatre.

Yes, you can.

And no hate speech.

I hate everything you say, so shut the fuck up because you offend me.

And, no, I'm not going to explain to you what "hate speech" is. Been there and done that.

I fucking HATE pedophiles, felons, bank robbers, rapists and Marxists.

[pErvinalia]

That's why I'm not going to explain it. You don't even understand the basic principles involved.

[Seth]

That's why I'm not going to explain it. You don't even understand the basic principles involved.

I'm afraid I understand them much, much better than you do, which is why I pointed out your error in re bombs and fires.

[Seth]

Double post

[JimC]

Seth wrote:

The problem is that you falsely assume that discussing racism or sexism in any context other than decrying it constitutes racism or sexism, which is not the case.

Would you count Tyrannical's posts on blacks as "discussing racism"?

[Seth]

Seth wrote:

The problem is that you falsely assume that discussing racism or sexism in any context other than decrying it constitutes racism or sexism, which is not the case.

Would you count Tyrannical's posts on blacks as "discussing racism"?

Of course. He expresses a firm and negative opinion of blacks. He backs up some of what he says with facts that show that in some cases, blacks are responsible for more crime per-capita than other races. This happens to be true.

Whether he is ascribing these sort of facts to their race, or whether their race is merely the predominant and most obvious indicator of their cultural and social memes is open to discussion.

But saying "inner-city blacks commit more crimes than rural whites" happens to be a statement of fact. Saying that inner-city blacks should be extirpated for the betterment of society is an opinion that may or may not be a judgment on their racial proclivities towards crime, or it may or may not be an expression of disgust at the social, ethical, and moral practices of "inner-city blacks" as a class of people identified by their residence and tendency to live in substantially or completely black communities.

Using race simply as an identifier of a specific group is not per se racist if the shoe happens to fit. To say "all blacks act like thuggish inner-city animalistic blacks" is racist. Saying "thuggish inner-city blacks act animalisticallly" is not necessarily racist, it may merely be identification of a particular group of people who act in a particular manner.

But to the religious anti-racist, it's racist to state that certain segments of certain black communities are largely comprised of thuggish animals even when that is observably true. It is not their race per se that causes them to be thuggish animals, it is that they band together in acting thuggishly and animalistically based on THEIR OWN RACE.

In other words, these particular segments of society are self-identifying and grouping based on race, so it's not racist to point this fact out.

Its only racist if one imputes the negative characteristics of one particular group of race X to all other members of race X without any evidence that those characteristics in fact exist.

[FBM]

As far as I can tell, he had established correlation without following through with causation.