So, PZ is a stone-cold racist.

[Bella Fortuna]

I don't hate anyone.

I'm just very very angry.

+1 I'm not thrilled with myself and how I have and wanted to have responded, but the whole thing has been ludicrous.

[Robert_S]

...and a little sad as well.

[hadespussercats]

I don't hate anyone.

I'm just very very angry.

I didn't say I hated any person. Just this mess.

[Robert_S]

I don't hate anyone.

I'm just very very angry.

I didn't say I hated any person. Just this mess.

Agreed.

[hadespussercats]

I've reported this thread. PZ Myers is a member here and as such should not be personally attacked.

I've got no complaints here. For a forum that regards rape threats as a reasonable way to criticize someone, I'm being treated kindly. Relatively.

It's also just more hypocrisy-wallowing. Do carry on.

I imagine you might have quit this thread for good, PZ.

But I'd like to know why you refuse to see us as a group of individuals.

You made a good point when you enjoined those of us here that disagreed with Pappa to go on the record saying as much.
Many of us have. Why doesn't that matter?

Why bother asking us to make a declaration, if you refuse to acknowledge it?

When you disagree with someone deeply, is the only choice to skip town? What if you love where you live?
Can't you stay, and try to get people talking and thinking?

(Not you, necessarily. More me, and the other Ratzes who love this place despite some people occasionally spouting hateful things.)

I don't see how mass condemnation is doing anything but shutting down a crucial dialogue.
Unless it's giving people on all sides a chance to fight dirty.

What good is it?

[Woodbutcher]

Pappa`s OP did not bother me; I thought it was tasteless, but harmless. PZ and his minions bickering and whining for apologies in a fucking supercilious manner set my teeth on edge , though. Those fucking whiners do not seem to realize that a comment can be ignored, but to fucking carry on and lambast everybody left and right is abuse which brings back bad memories to those of us who were abused, physically or sexually. I remembered being beaten with a belt and then told to apologize, but I was too young to know what I had done wrong. Sexual abuse after that. I tried drinking myself to death but realized maybe I was OK after all. I still have trouble associating with people, and I`m 62. Funny how hard it is sometimes to slip back from being a survivor to a victim. The trigger is always an argument, not a comment or a joke. An argument is done from a position of authority, that is where all the abuse starts. And the body always remembers and overrules the brain.
Whew. I never told anybody this before. I`m OK now. for a while.

[Kristie]

Pappa`s OP did not bother me; I thought it was tasteless, but harmless. PZ and his minions bickering and whining for apologies in a fucking supercilious manner set my teeth on edge , though. Those fucking whiners do not seem to realize that a comment can be ignored, but to fucking carry on and lambast everybody left and right is abuse which brings back bad memories to those of us who were abused, physically or sexually. I remembered being beaten with a belt and then told to apologize, but I was too young to know what I had done wrong. Sexual abuse after that. I tried drinking myself to death but realized maybe I was OK after all. I still have trouble associating with people, and I`m 62. Funny how hard it is sometimes to slip back from being a survivor to a victim. The trigger is always an argument, not a comment or a joke. An argument is done from a position of authority, that is where all the abuse starts. And the body always remembers and overrules the brain.
Whew. I never told anybody this before. I`m OK now. for a while.

[Bella Fortuna]

Ah, WB. I'm so sorry this happened to you.

[Ayaan]

Pappa`s OP did not bother me; I thought it was tasteless, but harmless. PZ and his minions bickering and whining for apologies in a fucking supercilious manner set my teeth on edge , though. Those fucking whiners do not seem to realize that a comment can be ignored, but to fucking carry on and lambast everybody left and right is abuse which brings back bad memories to those of us who were abused, physically or sexually. I remembered being beaten with a belt and then told to apologize, but I was too young to know what I had done wrong. Sexual abuse after that. I tried drinking myself to death but realized maybe I was OK after all. I still have trouble associating with people, and I`m 62. Funny how hard it is sometimes to slip back from being a survivor to a victim. The trigger is always an argument, not a comment or a joke. An argument is done from a position of authority, that is where all the abuse starts. And the body always remembers and overrules the brain.
Whew. I never told anybody this before. I`m OK now. for a while.

[Cormac]

Pappa`s OP did not bother me; I thought it was tasteless, but harmless. PZ and his minions bickering and whining for apologies in a fucking supercilious manner set my teeth on edge , though. Those fucking whiners do not seem to realize that a comment can be ignored, but to fucking carry on and lambast everybody left and right is abuse which brings back bad memories to those of us who were abused, physically or sexually. I remembered being beaten with a belt and then told to apologize, but I was too young to know what I had done wrong. Sexual abuse after that. I tried drinking myself to death but realized maybe I was OK after all. I still have trouble associating with people, and I`m 62. Funny how hard it is sometimes to slip back from being a survivor to a victim. The trigger is always an argument, not a comment or a joke. An argument is done from a position of authority, that is where all the abuse starts. And the body always remembers and overrules the brain.
Whew. I never told anybody this before. I`m OK now. for a while.

Thx WB.

[Badger3k]

Pappa`s OP did not bother me; I thought it was tasteless, but harmless. PZ and his minions bickering and whining for apologies in a fucking supercilious manner set my teeth on edge , though. Those fucking whiners do not seem to realize that a comment can be ignored, but to fucking carry on and lambast everybody left and right is abuse which brings back bad memories to those of us who were abused, physically or sexually. I remembered being beaten with a belt and then told to apologize, but I was too young to know what I had done wrong. Sexual abuse after that. I tried drinking myself to death but realized maybe I was OK after all. I still have trouble associating with people, and I`m 62. Funny how hard it is sometimes to slip back from being a survivor to a victim. The trigger is always an argument, not a comment or a joke. An argument is done from a position of authority, that is where all the abuse starts. And the body always remembers and overrules the brain.
Whew. I never told anybody this before. I`m OK now. for a while.

I'm new here, and just met ya', but that took guts. Thanks for sharing , and I'll add in some too for good measure.

[Woodbutcher]

Thanks, folks! This forum is good therapy for me. I feel that people care here, even though outsiders might not always see it that way. You cannot reduce this forum to one post and extrapolate from there. Reminds me of the three blind men describing an elephant.

[Bella Fortuna]

Pappa`s OP did not bother me; I thought it was tasteless, but harmless. PZ and his minions bickering and whining for apologies in a fucking supercilious manner set my teeth on edge , though. Those fucking whiners do not seem to realize that a comment can be ignored, but to fucking carry on and lambast everybody left and right is abuse which brings back bad memories to those of us who were abused, physically or sexually. I remembered being beaten with a belt and then told to apologize, but I was too young to know what I had done wrong. Sexual abuse after that. I tried drinking myself to death but realized maybe I was OK after all. I still have trouble associating with people, and I`m 62. Funny how hard it is sometimes to slip back from being a survivor to a victim. The trigger is always an argument, not a comment or a joke. An argument is done from a position of authority, that is where all the abuse starts. And the body always remembers and overrules the brain.
Whew. I never told anybody this before. I`m OK now. for a while.

I'm new here, and just met ya', but that took guts. Thanks for sharing , and I'll add in some too for good measure.

It's kind of a hallmark of this place.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

I would invite all skeptics of Ratz to real my posts. All of them. Then decide.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Pappa`s OP did not bother me; I thought it was tasteless, but harmless. PZ and his minions bickering and whining for apologies in a fucking supercilious manner set my teeth on edge , though. Those fucking whiners do not seem to realize that a comment can be ignored, but to fucking carry on and lambast everybody left and right is abuse which brings back bad memories to those of us who were abused, physically or sexually. I remembered being beaten with a belt and then told to apologize, but I was too young to know what I had done wrong. Sexual abuse after that. I tried drinking myself to death but realized maybe I was OK after all. I still have trouble associating with people, and I`m 62. Funny how hard it is sometimes to slip back from being a survivor to a victim. The trigger is always an argument, not a comment or a joke. An argument is done from a position of authority, that is where all the abuse starts. And the body always remembers and overrules the brain.
Whew. I never told anybody this before. I`m OK now. for a while.

I'm new here, and just met ya', but that took guts. Thanks for sharing , and I'll add in some too for good measure.

It's kind of a hallmark of this place.

Who does that?