Why creationists can laugh at atheist feminists?

[DaveDodo007]

That you posted a retarded meme?

Yeah I must of missed all the feminist outrage, o wait I didn't because I monitor it all the time and there wasn't any.

[DaveDodo007]

Lol.

[DaveDodo007]

Ha.

[DaveDodo007]

Right, but it's like saying "I define myself as religious - someone who believes in God." That's an overlapping Venn diagram there, and not everyone who believes in God is religious and not everyone who is religious believes in god. Same thing with their poll re feminism.

There is no overlap In "I define myself as a feminist - someone who advocates and supports equal opportunities for women" implied. The operative part of the statement is "I define myself as a feminist". the bit following the dash goes on to define feminism as "someone who advocates and supports equal opportunities for women". It is true that you can advocate and support equal opportunities for women without defining yourself as a feminist, and if you and Dave are to be believed, a sizeable portion of people calling themselves feminists do not support equal opportunities for women, but if the statement was aiming at that, the dash would have to be replaced by an "or". So, no overlap in the statement. Get back to me venn you haff understood.

Oh, absolutely there is. Hardly any feminists limit the definition of feminism to "equal opportunity." Even where there is equal opportunity, there can and very often is unequal distribution of males and females and that unequal distribution is often itself the subject of feminist activism.

For example, the famous video where feminists shut down a men's conference which was quietly discussing male suicide, by pulling the fire alarm. They weren't advocating for equal opportunities there. And, the professor who makes it her university policy to have women speak first in classrooms and at conferences. That's not equal opportunity. That kind of thing is very common.

I see no problem with self-declaring as feminist in relation to equal rights for women, an egalitarian or meritocrat in relation to equality of opportunity for all, a suffragist in relation to voting rights, a Pink Panther in relation to equal rights for LGBTs, or a neo-Chartist or Secularist in relation to constitutional and democratic reform. The problem here is that 'feminism' is being held up as a generic type, a pinata for personal frustration, thus the endless, "Feminists are all... etc..." and "No true Feminist..." nonsense.

Just fuck off, if you really cared about women's rights you would be supporting those rights were they are badly needed. You don't and you don't get to claim you do over first world problems.

[pErvinalia]

Obviously, Dawkins is a rape apologist who makes rape jokes..

We need to get him on here!

[pErvinalia]

Dickie should tell them to jam it up their nether regions. Fuck skeptic conventions, more like septic conventions in my mind. These people are about as relevant to real life as somebody else's hemorrhoids. I'd say fuck them and the horse they rode in on, but the horse is so goddamn high you couldn't get to it's asshole without a cherry picker. Do you think they realize that outside their hermetically sealed little femisphere they're jokes? That's if people are aware of them at all. Once you get out of your sophomore year you have better things to do. This is my take on it and pretty much everything else:

Rev? Are you in agreement -- the folks on FTB and at the various skeptic groups bitching about Dawkins on this issue are jokes? Are they relevant to real feminism or are these folks outlying extremists who ought not be mentioned when discussing feminism?

What's the point? All of us here think FTB are a joke. And you know my views on what regular feminism is.

[pErvinalia]

They certainly seem to see themselves as exemplars of feminism,

Of course they do. Most extremists think they are the true Scotsmen.

[Hermit]

They certainly seem to see themselves as exemplars of feminism

...just like the three dozen members of the Westboro Southern Baptist Church consider themselves as exemplars of Christianity.

Haha. ninjad be rEv. Fuck off, rEv.

[pErvinalia]

We both got Ninja'ed by Jim.

[Hermit]

Oh. Him?

You read his posts?

[DaveDodo007]

They certainly seem to see themselves as exemplars of feminism

...just like the three dozen members of the Westboro Southern Baptist Church consider themselves as exemplars of Christianity.

Haha. ninjad be rEv. Fuck off, rEv.

Southern Baptist Church consider themselves as exemplars of Christianity and so they should as they quote the Bible literary. Just like feminist who live by the tenets of patriarchy, privilege, rape culture and intersectionality amongst other bullshit. If you have to invent social constructs to excuse your bigotry you are still a bigot as every bigot throughout history has done it. All bigots make up excuses for their bigotry as none of them like to think of themselves as bigots.

[pErvinalia]

Coldplay: only the latest pop stars to misrepresent India as an exotic playground

Within hours of releasing their new music video Hymn for the Weekend, Coldplay reignited the debate on cultural appropriation that for years has pestered ignorant white people everywhere. Shot in India, the video features the British band performing in Mumbai during the Holi festival while frontman Chris Martin rides in a rickshaw and goes to the cinema to watch a Bollywood film starring Beyoncé.

Some were quick to call out Beyoncé for wearing Indian clothes and jewelry while others found nothing offensive about the video. So let’s just settle this and move on: if cultural appropriation means that a privileged group adopts the symbols and practices of a marginalized one for profit or social capital, then yes, Coldplay’s video is committing cultural appropriation.

But it’s also more than that. Director Ben Mor sprayed the “essence of incredible India” onto his video, a diluted perfume invented by white, western creatives whenever they want some Indian inspiration. Under the western gaze, India is a lush, exotic land filled with dingy slums inhabited by pious, levitating holy men and lanky brown-skinned children who are always throwing colored powders at each other. This idealized India obscures the realities of a complex nation in favor of reductive tropes originally intended to preserve western hegemony. Coldplay’s myopic construction of India has been part of western representation since the colonial era, but in the past few years, the music industry has embraced it to make their videos more interesting.
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edit to add: Ooh, just read on and found the following bit. Dave's gunna love this bit!

Now let’s talk about Beyoncé, who, along with Bollywood actor Sonam Kapoor, represents the desirable exotic woman. “Rani” Bey plays an alluring Bollywood star, wearing indigenous clothing and gesturing her henna-painted hands in front of a psychedelic background. I’ve purposely downplayed her involvement in the cultural appropriation debate for a reason. While Beyoncé’s appearance makes her complicit, her role in the video is little more than being an object to ogle. A black woman wearing South Asian markers of femininity must be distinguished from how white appropriation operates not only because of the politics of appropriation between people of color, but also the shared (and little discussed) history of cultural exchange between Africa and South Asia.

[Brian Peacock]

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I see no problem with self-declaring as feminist in relation to equal rights for women, an egalitarian or meritocrat in relation to equality of opportunity for all, a suffragist in relation to voting rights, a Pink Panther in relation to equal rights for LGBTs, or a neo-Chartist or Secularist in relation to constitutional and democratic reform. The problem here is that 'feminism' is being held up as a generic type, a pinata for personal frustration, thus the endless, "Feminists are all... etc..." and "No true Feminist..." nonsense.

Just fuck off, if you really cared about women's rights you would be supporting those rights were they are badly needed. You don't and you don't get to claim you do over first world problems.

Adding classic ad homs to the overflowing toilet of fallacious insistences I see.

You know nothing about me, about my politics or whatever I do or don't do politically, and the idea that I am somehow obliged to validate my views according to your personal specifications is at best misguided, and at worse hypocritical and bigoted.

[rainbow]

They certainly seem to see themselves as exemplars of feminism, anyone who disagrees isn't relevant, consigned to the trash heap of history. You're either with us or against us, comrade, and you'd better keep current or it's the Gulag of Brodom for you.

They certainly have no problem telling Richard Dawkins and Christina Hoff Sommers that they aren't real feminists but the man haters get a free pass.

Gosh!

Is this where you show your feminine side and burst into tears?

[Feck]

Ah Dave I think you know less about Islam than you do about women I also think you need Google to tell an elbow from an arsehole What is it like being so freaking dumb does it hurt ?