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LOL @ RatSkep

Post by GreyICE » Fri Nov 12, 2010 5:14 am

The following is a warning which has been issued to you by an administrator
or moderator of this site.
Warning RE: PAI via PM:

GreyICE,

As I think you are aware the following posts of yours constitute personal
attacks on another user:
Trigger Warning!!!1! :
(N/A)
Trigger Warning!!!1! :
(N/A)
Guess there's a price for supporting people who are right, neh? Well, looks like I'm right out of there. Glad to see the agenda is proceeding nicely.

Figured I'd post this wonderful cherry for anyone who still thinks there's a lick of sanity in the administration over there. I think it's been reasonably clearly hijacked by a group of people who want everyone to think exactly like them, or lose debates instantly and make their side look stupid. The concept of someone who disagrees and presents that disagreement rationally and 'wins' over people that they agree with is clearly offensive.

P.S. The spoiler tags really work on this board. Well, suffice to say that they just have "(N/A)" in them in the message sent to me. Yeah, they banned me for posting "(N/A)" apparently. Or somesuch.
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Re: LOL @ RatSkep

Post by Bella Fortuna » Fri Nov 12, 2010 5:19 am

Not wanting to bum your trip, but if you're posting PMs from anywhere without the other party's permission, please be aware of one of the rules here:
No disclosure of any private details relating to other members (including all forms of correspondence, physical meetings, details of relationships, photographs, anonymised recounts or stories, etc.) without the permission of the other party/ies involved.
I'm unsure if that applies based on the content of what you've posted - that'd be for the staff to decide - but just something to be aware of, please.
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Re: LOL @ RatSkep

Post by Rob » Fri Nov 12, 2010 5:21 am

I don't seem the harm in it personally. If you got banned for that... well that's quite amazing.
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Re: LOL @ RatSkep

Post by charlou » Fri Nov 12, 2010 9:14 am

Bella Fortuna wrote:Not wanting to bum your trip, but if you're posting PMs from anywhere without the other party's permission, please be aware of one of the rules here:
No disclosure of any private details relating to other members (including all forms of correspondence, physical meetings, details of relationships, photographs, anonymised recounts or stories, etc.) without the permission of the other party/ies involved.
I'm unsure if that applies based on the content of what you've posted - that'd be for the staff to decide - but just something to be aware of, please.
Our guidelines relate to private correspondence between rationalia members, not outside parties. I think 'RatSkep administration' is an outside party.

That is my view/understanding ... this instance hasn't been discussed with any of our other admins or mods, yet.

Thanks for the notice, Bella :cheers:
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Re: LOL @ RatSkep

Post by Thinking Aloud » Fri Nov 12, 2010 9:21 am

So ... did you actually post "(N/A)" somewhere, or did they censor your own posts from the warning they sent you? Very odd either way!

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Re: LOL @ RatSkep

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Nov 12, 2010 11:34 am

"RDF Jr.! All the mistakes of the original plus MORE!"

I wonder where the sane posters are going now?
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Re: LOL @ RatSkep

Post by devogue » Fri Nov 12, 2010 12:01 pm

According to Starr, GreyICE received a warning for this post:
@Calilasseia

You don't fucking understand how this works. I'm through being kind, because apparently you're through playing by the rules. And I don't mean the FUA, I mean the rules of how to run a successful forum. Now, lets sort out a few of the truths here.

The first truth is this: the forum exists because of us. The posters. Not the moderators, not the site admin, the posters. Forums are a dime a dozen, good posters are rare. And you yourself have revealed the vast flaw that you don't understand, and that apparently is hellbent on destroying this forum. "I care that bad ideas are subject to withering critical fire."

Well don't that just say it all. And who the fuck decides they're bad ideas? Well, lets face it. You. You've set yourself up as the judge, jury, and executioner of those who promote bad ideas. Do you see the fucking problem? You're a MODERATOR, a fucking moderator. Go look that word up in the dictionary, because apparently you have no clue what it means. Do you know what we call a debate when the moderator is partial to one side? A fucking travesty. You have decided to wander into the pits of partiality, and you know what that means?

You're not a moderator anymore. You're just a member with abusive privileges. You have no moral authority, you have no authority at all.

And this? This is the second truth:

All you are is the biggest bully in the sandbox.

Kid, there are many sandboxes. We don't need yours.
and this post:
What is the difference between a moderator and a bully? One word: Impartiality.

Moderators have vast amounts of power on forums. They can edit what is said, they can change people's posts, they can close topics of discussion, and they can simply end threads, users, whatever they like.

This power has vast ability for abuse. Only through maintaining impartiality is the process of discussion allowed to flow. An impartial moderator does not abuse those powers, and separates personal feelings from actions. A bully, on the other hand, uses their superior power as leverage to abuse and silence those who disagree with them or those that they have singled out as targets.

If a moderator is not impartial, if a moderator has a 'vision' for how discussions should go and attacks users who go against that 'vision for the forums' and carry out vindictive crusades against users, then they're just a bully.

There's at least one bully on the mod team. The fact that they remain suggest that behavior is tolerated. Not by me.
Apparently these were his third and fourth warnings, which have resulted in a one month suspension.

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Re: LOL @ RatSkep

Post by charlou » Fri Nov 12, 2010 12:17 pm

I can understand a person losing patience with a forum's moderating style if it seems biased or abusive, and getting downright angry if they believe it is biased or abusive and their concerns are being dismissed or stonewalled by the perceived abusers. It makes it more difficult if the person would otherwise like to continue to participate in forum discussion but feel too stifled or restricted by biased and/or nannyish moderation.
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Re: LOL @ RatSkep

Post by Thinking Aloud » Fri Nov 12, 2010 12:17 pm

Hmm. Interesting. I read the "bully" thread a while ago, which if memory serves, starts with the second quote in Devogue's post above. Although the thread quickly degenerated into a "you're talking about Cali" argument, I'd argue that the first post in that thread (the one quoted) is not a personal attack, because it's nigh-on impossible to raise an issue as a concern without everyone knowing which example you're using. Tried it myself several times!

Anyway ... make yourself comfortable, GreyICE!

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Re: LOL @ RatSkep

Post by charlou » Fri Nov 12, 2010 12:20 pm

I'd like a link to the first quoted post for context, please.
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Post by Azathoth » Fri Nov 12, 2010 12:25 pm

Leave the ratskep drama at ratskep. Nobody cares. We all know they have heavy handed mods.
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Re: LOL @ RatSkep

Post by devogue » Fri Nov 12, 2010 12:26 pm

Charlou wrote:I'd like a link to the first quoted post for context, please.
http://www.rationalskepticism.org/post5 ... ml#p560385

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Re: LOL @ RatSkep

Post by charlou » Fri Nov 12, 2010 12:30 pm

Ghatanothoa wrote:Nobody cares.
Not true.
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Re: LOL @ RatSkep

Post by charlou » Fri Nov 12, 2010 12:31 pm

devogue wrote:
Charlou wrote:I'd like a link to the first quoted post for context, please.
http://www.rationalskepticism.org/post5 ... ml#p560385
Thank you.
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Re: LOL @ RatSkep

Post by devogue » Fri Nov 12, 2010 12:38 pm

Ghatanothoa wrote:Leave the ratskep drama at ratskep. Nobody cares. We all know they have heavy handed mods.
It's clear that Ratskep's approach to moderation is different to here. They are pretty hard and fast when it comes to implementing the FUA, but that's just the way of it there. I disagree with much of the ethos on that forum, but there is also much about it that I really like so I just go with the flow because I know the mods won't change the entire forum just for me (just as it was here). I know that calling someone a bully/idiot/asshole/insert direct perjorative of choice here is likely to be seen as a personal attack, and that following the accusation up in another post won't go down well either. It's that simple. GreyICE - I know why you were upset, I even agree with much of what you say, but you must have known you were heading for a fall with those two posts.

Ratskep seems to be thriving and it is very much enjoyed by most of the members. I wish we could lay off it a bit - I remember feeling upset when Jack Rawlinson slagged off Rationalia there recently, as were a few other people here. Well, it cuts both ways.

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