Is the clock speed of evolution faster on bigger earths?

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Re: Is the clock speed of evolution faster on bigger earths?

Post by drl2 » Wed Jan 05, 2011 7:07 pm

Does evolution on Earth go faster while Superman is flying around it?

(Flying in the same direction as the planet's rotation, of course; everyone knows that flying against the rotation turns time backward.)

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Re: Is the clock speed of evolution faster on bigger earths?

Post by Atheist-Lite » Wed Jan 05, 2011 7:12 pm

drl2 wrote:Does evolution on Earth go faster while Superman is flying around it?

(Flying in the same direction as the planet's rotation, of course; everyone knows that flying against the rotation turns time backward.)

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Re: Is the clock speed of evolution faster on bigger earths?

Post by Coito ergo sum » Wed Jan 05, 2011 7:22 pm

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Kevin wrote:Evolution doesn't have a purpose and it still went from 'living gunk' to the versatile human being we see today. Just wondered would that timeframe be shorter on a larger planet? by the law of averages....these things are full of variables doing their varying, I realise.
Shorter to do what? Evolution on a different planet might not result in anything like human beings. For most of this planet's history it got along just fine without humans. We're not a necessary byproduct of evolution. We showed up blip ago in the scheme of things.
I think there is something in that. Not all planets will develop intelligent life and why should they? Those which do might benefit from a large planet. We are needing 2 or so earths to sustain our current current civilization - a larger planet would give a intelligent species longer to adopt a sustainable technological model?
You have to try to avoid anthropomorphizing evolution. It's not for a purpose. It's not "out to do" anything. It's like gravitation - it operates as it does, and that's it. Whether "we need" anything has nothing to do with evolution. Evolution is just the variation in alleles for all the genes in a population and natural selection operating to allow certain genes to survive from generation to generation where others don't. It's not about need, or advancement.

As for your question regarding the size of the planet - someone would need to establish a connection between the the rate that evolution occurs and the size of a planet. Nobody can possibly have done that because there aren't any other planets where evolution has been seen to occur. So, the only answer is - nobody knows.

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Re: Is the clock speed of evolution faster on bigger earths?

Post by Atheist-Lite » Wed Jan 05, 2011 7:31 pm

Coito ergo sum wrote:
Kevin wrote:
Coito ergo sum wrote:
Kevin wrote:Evolution doesn't have a purpose and it still went from 'living gunk' to the versatile human being we see today. Just wondered would that timeframe be shorter on a larger planet? by the law of averages....these things are full of variables doing their varying, I realise.
Shorter to do what? Evolution on a different planet might not result in anything like human beings. For most of this planet's history it got along just fine without humans. We're not a necessary byproduct of evolution. We showed up blip ago in the scheme of things.
I think there is something in that. Not all planets will develop intelligent life and why should they? Those which do might benefit from a large planet. We are needing 2 or so earths to sustain our current current civilization - a larger planet would give a intelligent species longer to adopt a sustainable technological model?
You have to try to avoid anthropomorphizing evolution. It's not for a purpose. It's not "out to do" anything. It's like gravitation - it operates as it does, and that's it. Whether "we need" anything has nothing to do with evolution. Evolution is just the variation in alleles for all the genes in a population and natural selection operating to allow certain genes to survive from generation to generation where others don't. It's not about need, or advancement.

As for your question regarding the size of the planet - someone would need to establish a connection between the the rate that evolution occurs and the size of a planet. Nobody can possibly have done that because there aren't any other planets where evolution has been seen to occur. So, the only answer is - nobody knows.
Couldn't it be modeled on a supercomputer?
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Re: Is the clock speed of evolution faster on bigger earths?

Post by Atheist-Lite » Tue Jan 11, 2011 7:53 am

Maybe clock speed isn't the right term. Perhaps simply having more diversity hotspots, inevitable on a larger planet, might allow for more to happen and any advanced industrial civilization similar to ours to become more robust by having a greater number of species that can be domesticated, more resources to exploit and more space for recovery from things like nuclear war? It'd be interesting to map how this human civilization would manage things like climate change given more time rather than less?
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Re: Is the clock speed of evolution faster on bigger earths?

Post by hackenslash » Wed Jan 12, 2011 9:22 am

From whose frame of reference? Time itself runs slower on more massive planets.
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Re: Is the clock speed of evolution faster on bigger earths?

Post by Clinton Huxley » Wed Jan 12, 2011 9:52 am

A larger planet wouldn't necessarily have more different types of environmental niche, though it may have more space in each one. My guess is that if you had a planet with twice the Earth's land surface area and a technological civilization on it, you'd probably end up with the same population density as the Earth and 12 billion inhabitants rather than 6 billion. It's not as if the extra surface area is just going to sit there empty until its needed.

But as CES says, we only have one data point so no-one knows.
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