Venture Bros: day 2

[Zigmen]

Zig - you asked about defending MZ. The 1st time I read the interaction between him and MattShizzle, I couldn't believe that a scum would throw out the same safe claim as another player. There's just no point to that. Which is why I find it strange that others, andrew comes to mind, were trying to figure out how it could be a scum ploy on MZ's part. That just seems too complicated. Think about it - if you are scum and have a safe claim, only to find that someone else has this character - 1st thing I'd do is ask the GM, not state it in the thread.

Okay. But later when MZ voted Shizz, why didn't you see that as Scummy? MZ had built a house of cards based on very suspicious reasoning. Part of that reasoning was that MZ knew Shizz had already claimed the same character, right? Didn't the voting thing make you reassess the entire story?

Actually, it made more sense to me at the time to be suspicious of Mattshizzle. I still think it does make sense.

Shizz claimed first, right? Also, Shizz didn't have some story about a pert-time blocker. The beauty of that claim is that it can't really be tested.

What made you think Shizz the more suspicious of the two of them?

[gib]

now this shit about me switching to Aza - what would you have done in my position at that time?

I would have developed a list of my top scummy players (like I did), offered to voted for any of them (like I did) and stopped trying to pretend that Scum can't make false claims (like I did).

IOW, i would have done what I did.

i like how you tacitly assume i'm town in your answer there

You asked what I would have done in your position.

Are you claiming Indy?

maybe i'm wrong but your reply read to me like you were willy waving - kinda hey gib actually you should have played it like me

tells me that deep down you know i'm town and moreover it tells me that you're town

and no i'm not indy, i 'm town but if you want to look dumb after the game then by all means keep telling yourself i'm not town

[gib]

Zig - you asked about defending MZ. The 1st time I read the interaction between him and MattShizzle, I couldn't believe that a scum would throw out the same safe claim as another player. There's just no point to that. Which is why I find it strange that others, andrew comes to mind, were trying to figure out how it could be a scum ploy on MZ's part. That just seems too complicated. Think about it - if you are scum and have a safe claim, only to find that someone else has this character - 1st thing I'd do is ask the GM, not state it in the thread.

Okay. But later when MZ voted Shizz, why didn't you see that as Scummy? MZ had built a house of cards based on very suspicious reasoning. Part of that reasoning was that MZ knew Shizz had already claimed the same character, right? Didn't the voting thing make you reassess the entire story?

Actually, it made more sense to me at the time to be suspicious of Mattshizzle. I still think it does make sense.

Shizz claimed first, right? Also, Shizz didn't have some story about a pert-time blocker. The beauty of that claim is that it can't really be tested.

What made you think Shizz the more suspicious of the two of them?

yes it can be tested - if no one reports being blocked tomorrow then we know MZ was bullshitting -

btw if that is what happens (ie he is lying scum) then his scumbuddies will know it's coming so keep an eye out for the easy bussing

[Zigmen]

btw if that is what happens (ie he is lying scum) then his scumbuddies will know it's coming so keep an eye out for the easy bussing

Assuming that blocks are reported and assuming that MZ didn't block Scum or the SK (or whatever), you might be onto something.

What I meant was, let's say one of us offered to let MZ block us (For example Shizz), MZ could just claim that tonight is not his night to block, and that last night he blocked whoever died last night (UT, for example). Or, he could claim that he was blocked himself and there must be a Scum blocker or a busdriver or some such other story.

[gib]

notes from reread so far:

1. i come across as an asshole

reading on...

[gib]

btw if that is what happens (ie he is lying scum) then his scumbuddies will know it's coming so keep an eye out for the easy bussing

Assuming that blocks are reported and assuming that MZ didn't block Scum or the SK (or whatever), you might be onto something.

What I meant was, let's say one of us offered to let MZ block us (For example Shizz), MZ could just claim that tonight is not his night to block, and that last night he blocked whoever died last night (UT, for example). Or, he could claim that he was blocked himself and there must be a Scum blocker or a busdriver or some such other story.

agree. we should look at this once everyone has checked in - if no one has reported a block then we ask MZ what's up. I know he says he doesn't want scum to know when he can block but i think town needing to know what's going on trumps that concern.

[Zigmen]

notes from reread so far:

1. i come across as an asshole

reading on...

Not buying the martyr angle.

[Zigmen]

btw if that is what happens (ie he is lying scum) then his scumbuddies will know it's coming so keep an eye out for the easy bussing

Assuming that blocks are reported and assuming that MZ didn't block Scum or the SK (or whatever), you might be onto something.

What I meant was, let's say one of us offered to let MZ block us (For example Shizz), MZ could just claim that tonight is not his night to block, and that last night he blocked whoever died last night (UT, for example). Or, he could claim that he was blocked himself and there must be a Scum blocker or a busdriver or some such other story.

agree. we should look at this once everyone has checked in - if no one has reported a block then we ask MZ what's up. I know he says he doesn't want scum to know when he can block but i think town needing to know what's going on trumps that concern.

It's nearly pointless. There are too many "outs" for a a part-time blocker regardless of what we know. Also, I'm sure our specials are handling this (or should be). If MZ lives another day or two, I'll be confident in his story, however bizarre and ill-played it was and, at that point, I'd be happier if Scum didn't know when MZ was effective; not to mention that it would become a priority for Scum to kill him. That would take the heat off our other specials for a night.

For now, the discussion is moot.

[Zigmen]

I'm off to work. I may have a break around 6. If not, bbl.

[gib]

notes from reread so far:

1. i come across as an asshole

reading on...

Not buying the martyr angle.

if you want to look dumb after the game then by all means keep telling yourself i'm not town

[Mantisdreamz]

Zig - you asked about defending MZ. The 1st time I read the interaction between him and MattShizzle, I couldn't believe that a scum would throw out the same safe claim as another player. There's just no point to that. Which is why I find it strange that others, andrew comes to mind, were trying to figure out how it could be a scum ploy on MZ's part. That just seems too complicated. Think about it - if you are scum and have a safe claim, only to find that someone else has this character - 1st thing I'd do is ask the GM, not state it in the thread.

Okay. But later when MZ voted Shizz, why didn't you see that as Scummy? MZ had built a house of cards based on very suspicious reasoning. Part of that reasoning was that MZ knew Shizz had already claimed the same character, right? Didn't the voting thing make you reassess the entire story?

Actually, it made more sense to me at the time to be suspicious of Mattshizzle. I still think it does make sense.

Shizz claimed first, right? Also, Shizz didn't have some story about a pert-time blocker. The beauty of that claim is that it can't really be tested.

What made you think Shizz the more suspicious of the two of them?

Shizzle did claim first, ya. I don't know - either they both have the same character, which seems the simplest scenario, or there was a GM fuck up. Say if Matt is scum and had that as a safe claim, he wouldn't know that another character had it before stating it on the thread. In MZ's case - if he is scum, like i said a bunch of times already - it seems less likely that he would claim the same name. However - thinking on the whole 'part time blocker' - yes, i do agree that is sus.

[Magicziggy]

Irre, zigmen look firmly town. I think Matt is as well.
There's something very defensive about gib I haven't noticed in other games.

Mantis is a huge ? For me. I'd say the same fir aza, DP and gonzo.
Andrew is probably town.
Feck? No one has said this is feck's town game. Something to keep an eye on.

[Don't Panic]

Oh and DP, I expect you to post today!!!

here now, was working all day. At this post, reading, opinions soon.

[MattShizzle]

yes it can be tested - if no one reports being blocked tomorrow then we know MZ was bullshitting -

btw if that is what happens (ie he is lying scum) then his scumbuddies will know it's coming so keep an eye out for the easy bussing

Not if he's telling the truth and blocks/blocked scum - they'd have reason to deny it. Also, It's not that uncommon for someone to not know they were blocked, other than by being a special and their power not working.

[gib]

Irre, zigmen look firmly town. I think Matt is as well.
There's something very defensive about gib I haven't noticed in other games.

Mantis is a huge ? For me. I'd say the same fir aza, DP and gonzo.
Andrew is probably town.
Feck? No one has said this is feck's town game. Something to keep an eye on.

agree matt and zigmen are probably town, warming to irre but would like to hear more from her

andrew i just dunno, but i won't be voting him today as i want to see more of his game

feck - how the hell does anyone read feck?

and yeh i'm a little pissed off this game but it's nothing to do with my role