The Libertarian Case for Slavery

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The Libertarian Case for Slavery

Post by Schneibster » Sat Nov 19, 2011 7:46 pm

A completely internally consistent and Libertarian-belief-consistent case for slavery.

Yes, really. You can justify anything, no matter how vile, using Libertarianism.

http://cog.kent.edu/lib/Philmore1/Philmore1.htm
It seems to be a basic shared prejudice of liberalism that slavery is in­herently involuntary, so the issue of genuinely voluntary slavery has re­ceived little scrutiny. The perfectly valid liberal argument that involuntary slavery is inherently unjust is thus taken to include voluntary slavery (in which case, the argument, by definition, does not apply). This has resulted in an abridgment of the freedom of contract in modern liberal society.

Since slavery was abolished, human earning power is forbidden by law to be capitalized. A man is not even free to sell himself: he must rent himself at a wage.4

People are only allowed the temporary security afforded by capitalizing a portion of their earning power (i.e., by renting or hiring themselves out for a specified time period), but are denied the freedom of obtaining a maxi­mum of security by selling all of their human capital. The owners of non­human capital (e.g., money, machines, buildings, etc.) enjoy the contrac­tual freedom of either hiring out their capital or selling it, but state interfer­ence in the marketplace prevents the owners of human capital from exer­cising the same liberty. And yet the principal difference between selling and only hiring out an entity is that of selling all or only a part of the services provided by the entity (i.e., the tenure of the contract).
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Re: The Libertarian Case for Slavery

Post by Gallstones » Sat Nov 19, 2011 7:57 pm

Would it violate some Socialtardian principle for an informed adult of sound mind to enter into a contract of temporary indentured servitude to accomplish some goal?

Example: WOPs
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Re: The Libertarian Case for Slavery

Post by Schneibster » Sat Nov 19, 2011 7:58 pm

Yeah, I figured.

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Re: The Libertarian Case for Slavery

Post by Seth » Sat Nov 19, 2011 11:46 pm

Of course, the Socialtardian didn't actually bother to read and comprehend the material, particularly and mendaciously (as usual) deliberately eliding the whole "voluntary" part of the document's arguments.

Of course, "voluntary slavery" is an oxymoron, because the definition of "slavery" is "involuntary servitude," the "involuntary" part of it being very important in the policy decisions to outlaw the practice.

The phrase "voluntary slavery" is used in the piece as a term of art, whereas "capitalization of labor" is the appropriate term. It's actually quite an interesting piece and makes a number of salient points about the concept of self-ownership and capitalization of labor, although I disagree with the depth of the distinction between "capitalization" and "rental" of labor. One need not, after all, transfer title to capital in order to profit from it under capitalism. Rents are a perfectly valid form of capitalization, so in fact the worker who "rents" his labor is factually capitalizing his marketable skill set without having to sell or rent other aspects of his body or personal life.
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Re: The Libertarian Case for Slavery

Post by Schneibster » Sat Nov 19, 2011 11:52 pm

It's humor.

Only it's not.

That's the worst thing I can think of to say about Libertarianism and here you people are justifying it. You think slavery is a good idea.

Unbelievable. :nono:
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Re: The Libertarian Case for Slavery

Post by Seth » Sat Nov 19, 2011 11:59 pm

Schneibster wrote:It's humor.

Only it's not.

That's the worst thing I can think of to say about Libertarianism and here you people are justifying it. You think slavery is a good idea.

Unbelievable. :nono:
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Re: The Libertarian Case for Slavery

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Re: The Libertarian Case for Slavery

Post by Schneibster » Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:19 am

Seth wrote:
Schneibster wrote:It's humor.

Only it's not.

That's the worst thing I can think of to say about Libertarianism and here you people are justifying it. You think slavery is a good idea.

Unbelievable. :nono:
Liar.
Dude, you said slavery is a good idea. You want to make up a euphemism for it.

Insults are beside the point. This is incontrovertible. You argued in favor of chattel slavery. :dunno:
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Re: The Libertarian Case for Slavery

Post by maiforpeace » Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:20 am

Slavery is the legal fiction that a person is property. Corporate personhood is the legal fiction that property is a person.
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Re: The Libertarian Case for Slavery

Post by Pensioner » Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:29 am

maiforpeace wrote:Slavery is the legal fiction that a person is property. Corporate personhood is the legal fiction that property is a person.
That is so true. :clap:
“I wish no harm to any human being, but I, as one man, am going to exercise my freedom of speech. No human being on the face of the earth, no government is going to take from me my right to speak, my right to protest against wrong, my right to do everything that is for the benefit of mankind. I am not here, then, as the accused; I am here as the accuser of capitalism dripping with blood from head to foot.”

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Re: The Libertarian Case for Slavery

Post by Gallstones » Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:38 am

Schneibster wrote:Yeah, I figured.

:nono:
What is this post in reference to?
It seems totally non sequitur.
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Re: The Libertarian Case for Slavery

Post by Gallstones » Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:39 am

maiforpeace wrote:Slavery is the legal fiction that a person is property. Corporate personhood is the legal fiction that property is a person.
I like this. :tup:
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Re: The Libertarian Case for Slavery

Post by Schneibster » Sun Nov 20, 2011 12:52 am

Gallstones wrote:Would it violate some Socialtardian principle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_ ... man_Rights
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Re: The Libertarian Case for Slavery

Post by Gallstones » Sun Nov 20, 2011 1:42 am

Schneibster wrote:It's humor.

Only it's not.

That's the worst thing I can think of to say about Libertarianism and here you people are justifying it. You think slavery is a good idea.

Unbelievable. :nono:
Where did you people say that slavery is a good idea?
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Re: The Libertarian Case for Slavery

Post by Seth » Sun Nov 20, 2011 2:36 am

Schneibster wrote:
Seth wrote:
Schneibster wrote:It's humor.

Only it's not.

That's the worst thing I can think of to say about Libertarianism and here you people are justifying it. You think slavery is a good idea.

Unbelievable. :nono:
Liar.
Dude, you said slavery is a good idea. You want to make up a euphemism for it.
Liar.
Insults are beside the point. This is incontrovertible. You argued in favor of chattel slavery. :dunno:
Liar.
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