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Post by matthewr88 » Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:00 pm

Hi all,

I am a long time sceptic, having gone to a school that was so culturally diverse in its pupils that we were taught about virtually every modern religion and some extinct. Seeing so many differing beliefs very quickly convinced me that no single one could be correct and the others not. This brings the logical conclusion that therefore none are correct, are man made and not worthy of my worship. Having recently listened to Christopher Hitchens' "Gods is not great" it revealed to me the fact that I'm not alone in my complete lack of belief. In fact he is the reason I'm here. I'm reconsidering my position as a silent philosopher among the faithful, and thinking about become a wolf among the flock. I've always felt I should temper my views to avoid upsetting my friends, work colleagues and family. But now my 5 year old son is in school, a Church of England school, it has come to the fore. I'm in a situation where I feel like I can't tell my own son that I know, not believe, KNOW that everything his teachers tell him about god et al is an absolute crock, for fear of upsetting them. I fear I'm left in the position of hoping my son can see through the fairytales and half truths to attain the rationality that I have. I'm here to try and get some advice on how to guide my kids into a world of science and consciousness rather than a world of myths and unconsciousness.

I'm not completely disheartened in my "crusade", excuse the pun. My boy is already showing the sceptism and boredom I would hope for. There is a local "new church", a joke I know, that runs a "sports academy" on Thursdays at the suspiciously low price of 1 pound. Seriously, 1 pound. This obviously screamed at me "recruitment racket", but I capitulated to my wife's assertions that it would be low key, and our boy went to play "sport". You drop your kid off with these churchy folk and return an hour later. You walk in to find the kids sat in rows with a guy at a podium talking about being a team player and a good winner/loser... interspersed with gods teaches this and that, but very low key. Almost subliminally in fact, which in hindsight is quick scary. But, knowing the distractability of our boy we knew that most stuff would go straight over his head. Then, out of the blue he is called up to the front. He is given a prize for being well behaved and listening to the helpers. We are gobsmacked. Our son is one of the most scatter brained kids going, but we wouldn't change him. We find it highly dubious that he would win this prize, and put it down to him being the "new kid", especially as it has the effect of making them desperate to return... good job guys. After a couple of weeks my wife recommended the "sports academy" to a friend with a son the same age as our boy. This evening I'm tasked with collecting our son, and am the first parent on the scene. This time instead of the lighthearted undercurrent of god I'm greeted with full on hardcore bible pounding. I get that feeling in my stomach I always get when I have the misfortune of having to go into a church, and I'm disagreeing with everything in my head. It gets worse and worse, and my blood begins to boil. Then my wife's friend arrives. She looks dumbfounded. I feel awful, but I don't want to apologise in case I offend her. We get our kids out of there, and on the way to the car park she says, "I didn't know it world be like that!"
I said, "It isn't normally that bad"
She then tentatively asks, "are you religious?"
"No, you?", I reply.
"Definitely not"
Suffice to say neither of our kids returned to that place. The silver lining was my son telling me after that fiasco that it was "boring". Praise the lord!
The other recent "near miss" was on Ash Wednesday when the vicar visiting the school was burning crosses and using this ash to draw crossed on the children's foreheads. At the beginning the kids were given the option of being branded or go back to their classes. My boy opted to head back to class, again stating to us later that it was boring. You can probably imagine how hard it was not to praise him for being bored. Good lad :lol:

So now, like I said, I'm thinking of taking an active stance rather than avoiding confrontations. No longer the silent philosopher.

Anyway, sorry for the long post.

Mat

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Post by HomerJay » Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:19 pm

Bless you for an interesting first post matthew.

The CofE experience varies wildly across the country and it sounds like you got the shitty end of the stick.

I don't think it hurts to make your feelings known, even if gently, if you don't want a confrontation express your concerns and then make it obvious that the explanation you're given doesn't cut it, just a quick 'hmm' followed by a disappointed expression will make it clear you don't agree.

I complained about something too churchy at school once but then found out I wasn't the first to complain and my letter was enough to get the activity stopped.

Mostly though it's just a cross you'll have to bear I fear, as there isn't much option that works well for the child.

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Post by Rum » Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:20 pm

Hi and welcome.

You don't necessarily have to induct your child into your atheist views I would suggest. I certainly didn't with my daughter and she became religion free by her own route as a result. Ensure he has the chance to understand there are many differeing positions and opinions, assist him in developing an open mind and he will do the rest I would suggest.

You aren't making that any easier by enrolling him at a C of E school mind you! Though knowing about schools as I do it's standards in teaching will almost certainly be well above average.

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Post by Pappa » Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:22 pm

Hi Mat.... welcome to the forum. :D
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Post by klr » Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:29 pm

Hi mattie! :cheers:
At the beginning the kids were given the option of being branded or go back to their classes. My boy opted to head back to class, again stating to us later that it was boring. You can probably imagine how hard it was not to praise him for being bored. Good lad
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Post by Bella Fortuna » Fri Feb 24, 2012 12:09 am

Hello and welcome! Nice OP. :cheers:

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Post by Woodbutcher » Fri Feb 24, 2012 2:07 am

Welcome, Matt. Encourage skepticism and learning in your son. Harking back to the sixties:" Question authority!" is a good motto for every occasion. What sounds like bullshit usually is bullshit.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Feb 24, 2012 2:45 am

Woodbutcher wrote:Welcome, Matt. Encourage skepticism and learning in your son. Harking back to the sixties:" Question authority!" is a good motto for every occasion. What sounds like bullshit usually is bullshit.
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Post by matthewr88 » Fri Feb 24, 2012 2:47 pm

Thanks guys! Now I've got your attention I'd like to introduce you to a close personal friend of mine... Jesus.....



Just kidding lol...

I found this oasis while searching for atheist sites on tapatalk... there were only 5 or 6 sites, and some seemed, well, fake. Almost like they'd been setup to lure in the unsuspecting. This one seemed like the best place to vent my spleen :grin:

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Post by matthewr88 » Fri Feb 24, 2012 2:47 pm

Thanks guys! Now I've got your attention I'd like to introduce you to a close personal friend of mine... Jesus.....



Just kidding lol...

I found this oasis while searching for atheist sites on tapatalk... there were only 5 or 6 sites, and some seemed, well, fake. Almost like they'd been setup to lure in the unsuspecting. This one seemed like the best place to vent my spleen :grin:

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Post by Bella Fortuna » Fri Feb 24, 2012 2:50 pm

:cheers:

We're as fake as real can get. :awesome:

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Post by Faithfree » Fri Feb 24, 2012 3:46 pm

Hi matt....... and welcome! :td:
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Post by rachelbean » Fri Feb 24, 2012 5:33 pm

Welcome Matt, I think this is definitely a good place to vent your spleen, or squidlyspooch, or whatever else needs airing out :teef: :cheers:
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