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Re: What if????

Post by klr » Fri Mar 06, 2009 1:02 am

Gawdzilla wrote:What if horses had survived in the Western Hemisphere?
That's a mighty big "what if?". Jared Diamond scale "what if?" in fact. Have you read Guns, Germs and Steel?
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Re: What if????

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Mar 06, 2009 1:06 am

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Gawdzilla wrote:What if horses had survived in the Western Hemisphere?
That's a mighty big "what if?". Jared Diamond scale "what if?" in fact. Have you read Guns, Germs and Steel?
Nope. But I could modify the question.

What if the Western Hemisphere had a domesticated draft animal that was commonly available? (Pre-Columbian)
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Post by klr » Fri Mar 06, 2009 1:14 am

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Gawdzilla wrote:What if horses had survived in the Western Hemisphere?
That's a mighty big "what if?". Jared Diamond scale "what if?" in fact. Have you read Guns, Germs and Steel?
Nope. But I could modify the question.

What if the Western Hemisphere had a domesticated draft animal that was commonly available? (Pre-Columbian)
That's one of the big questions that Diamond tackles: The lack of suitable animals to be domesticated (and good crops) was an enormous handicap for American, sub-Saharan African and other peoples. There were other factors as well of course, hence the title of the book.

Stepping down a level, I've always felt that Britain being an island was one of the underlying factors in the success of the British empire. Island => seafaring nation => ... 70% of world's surface is water => ...

But for now, it's :snooze: for me.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Mar 06, 2009 1:27 am

klr wrote:That's one of the big questions that Diamond tackles: The lack of suitable animals to be domesticated (and good crops) was an enormous handicap for American, sub-Saharan African and other peoples. There were other factors as well of course, hence the title of the book.

Stepping down a level, I've always felt that Britain being an island was one of the underlying factors in the success of the British empire. Island => seafaring nation => ... 70% of world's surface is water => ...

But for now, it's :snooze: for me.
Islanders are better sailors. People with grumpy neighbors are better diplomats. The Mongols were great horsemen because the Steppes is a horse paradise. Diamond made money saying these things?
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Post by klr » Fri Mar 06, 2009 8:44 am

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klr wrote:That's one of the big questions that Diamond tackles: The lack of suitable animals to be domesticated (and good crops) was an enormous handicap for American, sub-Saharan African and other peoples. There were other factors as well of course, hence the title of the book.

Stepping down a level, I've always felt that Britain being an island was one of the underlying factors in the success of the British empire. Island => seafaring nation => ... 70% of world's surface is water => ...

But for now, it's :snooze: for me.
Islanders are better sailors. People with grumpy neighbors are better diplomats. The Mongols were great horsemen because the Steppes is a horse paradise. Diamond made money saying these things?
Well, he said a lot more than that :lol:. Anyway, you should read the book. Everyone should as a matter of fact. :read:

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Post by Clinton Huxley » Fri Mar 06, 2009 11:52 am

What if...... Constantinople had fallen to the Arabs in the 7th Century......?

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Post by Xamonas Chegwé » Fri Mar 06, 2009 11:54 am

What if Columbus had fallen off the edge of the world?
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Post by klr » Fri Mar 06, 2009 12:05 pm

Clinton Huxley wrote:What if...... Constantinople had fallen to the Arabs in the 7th Century......?

Byzantine Empire - fascinating stuff. Glorious, tragic, brutal, ridiculous and a bit mad all rolled into one.
The Empress Theodora covers all of that just by herself I think: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodora_(6th_century)

Now, what if the Franks had not defeated the Muslims at Tours in 732? :levi:

Or William the Conqueror wasn't, you know ...
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Post by Clinton Huxley » Fri Mar 06, 2009 12:43 pm

What if King Harold had been 6 inches shorter...?
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Post by Trolldor » Fri Mar 06, 2009 12:46 pm

What if Lenin had been able to voice his disapproval of Stalin?
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Post by Brian Peacock » Fri Mar 06, 2009 2:03 pm

born-again-atheist wrote:What if Lenin had been able to voice his disapproval of Stalin?
...or if Stalin had been a nice bloke!?!
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Post by klr » Fri Mar 06, 2009 2:17 pm

Brian Peacock wrote:
born-again-atheist wrote:What if Lenin had been able to voice his disapproval of Stalin?
...or if Stalin had been a nice bloke!?!
:lol: Good one.

Although being serious for a minute: I think we'd probably have never heard of him, and not just because he might never have been called 'Stalin'.

Odd how so many communist revolutionaries had assumed names: Stalin, Lenin, Trotsky, Molotov ...
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Post by Geoff » Fri Mar 06, 2009 4:12 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:What if horses had survived in the Western Hemisphere?
Recent news with kind of a tie-in to that one:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7926235.stm
Horses were domesticated much earlier than previously thought, according to a team of researchers.

They found evidence suggesting that the animals were used by a culture in northern Kazakhstan 5,500 years ago.
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Re: What if????

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Mar 06, 2009 4:15 pm

Geoff wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:What if horses had survived in the Western Hemisphere?
Recent news with kind of a tie-in to that one:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7926235.stm
Horses were domesticated much earlier than previously thought, according to a team of researchers.

They found evidence suggesting that the animals were used by a culture in northern Kazakhstan 5,500 years ago.
Less than a thousand years after the Creation? Gawd is truly great. :mrgreen:
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Re: What if????

Post by Ian » Fri Mar 06, 2009 7:42 pm

What if the Schlieffen Plan had succeeded, and Germany was able to force a settlement to end the war on the western front in autumn, 1914?

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