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Post by hadespussercats » Thu Feb 14, 2013 5:45 pm

lordpasternack wrote:Hades - it is important to me insofar as it makes specious Dawkins' and Red Celt's imagined impression of me as mad, demented, jilted suitor, whom Dawkins has only ever wanted to rid himself of. 

If it were so important to me otherwise, I would have already belaboured it, without the provocation.
My sense is you have belabored it, in this thread and elsewhere.
I don't have time to go hunting up the cases in point.

You've indicated that RD has been at least negligent, at most corrupt, in the running of his charity foundation, and that the reasons for that include being guileless, a poor businessman, and, to paraphrase, obsessed with vagina to the point that he made poor administrative decisions on behalf of RDFRS.

You've made a point of showing an email in which he confirms that EC (? I don't remember her name-- the woman who's been the focus of your ire for most of this thread) was at one point his mistress-- he doesn't seem to feel any compunction or shame about that, and it's not at all clear that he should. You've gone to great lengths to show how contemptible she is-- incompetent, perhaps corrupt.

So, you've essentially shown that RD likes to have sex with a wide variety of women, and, according to you, sets the bar pretty low for who he allows into his bedroom. Seems to me if he wanted to sleep with you he would have. Why wouldn't he?

But he hasn't. Which obviously bothers you. It also obviously bothers you that this woman could succeed where you failed.

You iterate again and again that the supposedly sordid sexual side of this story isn't really all that important to you, or to what you're trying to accomplish. But the lions share of this thread has been devoted to RD's sexual peccadilloes, in part in the sense that they've compromised his judgement, but also for the pure snarky joy of ridiculing him about it, in absentia, or through angry emails you've shared here. And when it comes to the big expose you've been promising for almost sixty pages, all we hear is that we should trust you that we'll be impressed by the witnesses and the evidence when it's revealed.

So, why do we need this thread? Why not wait until you can actually put up? You've indicated that it's to rally the troops, so your case will be stronger when it comes. But what exactly are we rallying behind? Disgust that RD apparently doesn't have a conventional marriage? That, while he hardly flaunts his lifestyle, he shows no shame for it? It's all a bit rich, coming from someone like yourself, who could never be described as having a stake in conventional morality when it comes to sex.

So, what we're left with, I think, is a smear campaign, from someone who has an unrequited sexualized celebrity crush. You might have more. You might have done some great work digging up dirt on the mismanagement of RD's charity. But you've already tipped your hand to the big conflict of interest here. It's compromised any case you might have to make.
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Post by Kristie » Thu Feb 14, 2013 5:48 pm

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Post by Svartalf » Thu Feb 14, 2013 5:54 pm

Kristie wrote:Hades, I love you.
there's a fred for that.
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Post by Tero » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:01 pm

Thanks, saved me a lot of reading, Hades.

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Post by Red Celt » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:47 pm

Kristie wrote:Hades, I love you.
I'm slightly smitten, myself, tbh.
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Post by lordpasternack » Thu Feb 14, 2013 7:01 pm

hadespussercats wrote: My sense is you have belabored it, in this thread and elsewhere.
I don't have time to go hunting up the cases in point.
No, no... I must insist that you document everything before I accept it - and then once you have documented it, I will call you obsessive and vindictive.

But, not really... I am glad that you appreciate that that kind of documentation does take a fair whack of time and effort, though.
hadespussercats wrote:So, you've essentially shown that RD likes to have sex with a wide variety of women, and, according to you, sets the bar pretty low for who he allows into his bedroom. Seems to me if he wanted to sleep with you he would have. Why wouldn't he?

But he hasn't. Which obviously bothers you. It also obviously bothers you that this woman could succeed where you failed.
I also hoped to demonstrate that I had consistently purposefully refused to flatter him - for my own reasons - not least that something smelled funny from the start. He perhaps felt similarly. I believe that may have been the case.

I did not go out of my way to charm, woo or seduce him. I'm not at all surprised that I 'failed' - and I can assure you quite forcefully that none of Richard's other lovers, past or present, bother me in the slightest. If anything "obviously" bothers me about the situation, I must insist that it isn't for the reasons that you believe. If you want any confirmation of this - PM my friend John_fi_Skye, and he has my permission to give you any of the gory details of how I have discussed this situation with him in private.
You iterate again and again that the supposedly sordid sexual side of this story isn't really all that important to you, or to what you're trying to accomplish. But the lions share of this thread has been devoted to RD's sexual peccadilloes, in part in the sense that they've compromised his judgement, but also for the pure snarky joy of ridiculing him about it, in absentia, or through angry emails you've shared here. And when it comes to the big expose you've been promising for almost sixty pages, all we hear is that we should trust you that we'll be impressed by the witnesses and the evidence when it's revealed.
I am not the only one primarily discussing that - and I have requested, repeatedly, that people address the other issues, so that I may discuss and refine them. Calilasseia has been going around the Mulberry bush on that topic, and I made a direct request to him to discuss the other points made - specifically regarding the mismanagement, and the frankly shocking (if true) facts about the Timonen lawsuit - and he just gave a non-committal response in support. In the meantime, I find myself defending myself - and I probably shouldn't - against petty insults and sidetracks.

Oh - and I haven't been promising a big exposé for 60 pages - it's probably been less than 10 pages since I raised that topic.

And it is there. It's just that it takes time, effort, and various things to fall into place - and lack of petty distractions.
So, why do we need this thread? Why not wait until you can actually put up? You've indicated that it's to rally the troops, so your case will be stronger when it comes. But what exactly are we rallying behind? Disgust that RD apparently doesn't have a conventional marriage? That, while he hardly flaunts his lifestyle, he shows no shame for it? It's all a bit rich, coming from someone like yourself, who could never be described as having a stake in conventional morality when it comes to sex.
To be frank - I came here for constructive criticism amongst friends regarding the substance of what I was saying - and have consistently failed to get it, and instead have been mostly sidetracked, stressed out, and generally had my time wasted to little good ends.

I am now going to make good on what I was saying and just go away and dig and document at my leisure - and come back and just lay it on. I'm not going to fuck around defending myself from puerile insults, anymore.
You might have more. You might have done some great work digging up dirt on the mismanagement of RD's charity. But you've already tipped your hand to the big conflict of interest here. It's compromised any case you might have to make.
I do. And it's fine that you think that. All will be made clear in the fullness of time. It will.
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Post by Tero » Thu Feb 14, 2013 7:07 pm

I suggest you study the court cases of mismanaged charities. Find out if there were criminal charges and what were the consequences.

If you simply have information for the press, then go to the press.

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Post by lordpasternack » Thu Feb 14, 2013 7:16 pm

Tero wrote:I suggest you study the court cases of mismanaged charities. Find out if there were criminal charges and what were the consequences.

If you simply have information for the press, then go to the press.
That's what I'm deliberating, strategically.

There's also the issue of holding onto information one has in the meantime, while searching for other, possibly more serious stuff.

Anyway - some long calls will be had over the coming week, and some stuff will be discussed, shared and set straight. That much I can say with certainty.
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Post by lordpasternack » Thu Feb 14, 2013 7:47 pm

lordpasternack wrote:Cali - I've said and will reiterate - I don't care about the sex per se. I would like someone to address the issues I've raised regarding his empty promises about RDFRS, apparent financial mismanagement - and his Executive Director's documented misconduct. I'd like someone to address the issues I've raised regarding the lawsuit against Timonen.

These are the issues calculated to undo his esteem EVERYWHERE - not just amongst the Daily Mail readership.
Just in case this was missed first time. And I've added emphasis.

http://rationalia.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... 4#p1380254
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Post by lordpasternack » Thu Feb 14, 2013 8:54 pm

I now have a functional link to the full document I posted screenshots of earlier - should you wish to read it yourself. I am badgering people for the First Amended Complaint, which certainly promises to be interesting.

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Full document available here: https://docs.google.com/file/d/1YR36roc ... bjc5q/edit
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Post by hadespussercats » Fri Feb 15, 2013 2:07 am

To be frank - I came here for constructive criticism amongst friends regarding the substance of what I was saying - and have consistently failed to get it, and instead have been mostly sidetracked, stressed out, and generally had my time wasted to little good ends.
I don't see how you can say you've failed to get constructive criticism, from many commenters here, and most recently from me.

I don't have an ax to grind-- which is why I'm not going to bother hunting up the quotes you requested for documentation. I wasn't expecting you would take heed of anything I wrote. But there were things that needed to be said, and there was a small possibility you might listen. I hope you have the perspective to recognize my commentary wasn't "puerile insults," but criticism made frankly, and in good faith.

You say you're abandoning this thread now, to work on your case? Good. Take care.
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Post by lordpasternack » Fri Feb 15, 2013 2:50 am

hadespussercats wrote:
To be frank - I came here for constructive criticism amongst friends regarding the substance of what I was saying - and have consistently failed to get it, and instead have been mostly sidetracked, stressed out, and generally had my time wasted to little good ends.
I don't see how you can say you've failed to get constructive criticism, from many commenters here, and most recently from me.
Yes - I suppose - but I meant in a more immediate sense, with regards to what I would consider to be "the facts of my case", to do with the management of RDFRS, the conduct of its Executive Director, and the possible deliberate maliciousness of the original lawsuit against Timonen.
I don't have an ax to grind-- which is why I'm not going to bother hunting up the quotes you requested for documentation. I wasn't expecting you would take heed of anything I wrote. But there were things that needed to be said, and there was a small possibility you might listen. I hope you have the perspective to recognize my commentary wasn't "puerile insults," but criticism made frankly, and in good faith.
I don't consider your remarks to be puerile insults, no.
You say you're abandoning this thread now, to work on your case? Good. Take care.
Obviously not utterly abandoning - but letting it lie to attend to the more important substantive issues - rather than getting dragged out through numerous petty dialogues about RDFRS, while I'm unready to show everything behind what I'm saying.
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Post by Calilasseia » Fri Feb 15, 2013 7:46 am

Actually, my responses haven't been quite as non-committal as has been made out here. I seem to recall posting, for example, this little missive, describing in graphic detail what RD could look forward to if he tried fobbing off the UK charity Commissioners with the sort of incompetence he's already tried to fob off a US court with. Incidentally, I'm surprised that the court in question in the US let him off as lightly as they did, given the evidence provided here of the shambolic nature of that lawsuit and the support (or lack of) provided for it. A UK court would probably have slapped some pretty severe penalties on him if he'd tried the same here. Indeed, from that post, in direct response to LP, I posted this little paragraph:
Well, I think anyone 'massaging' accounts to present a pretty picture is going to discover that those nice tax people have something to say about this. Given the shitfest that would ensue if my Entomology Society failed to meet proper standards, which would be subatomic in scale compared to the shitfest that would accompany serious shenanigans at RDFRS, I think RD had better start looking around for some properly accredited accountants with experience in the charities sector fast, otherwise he's going to find himself in the centre of a maelstrom he won't like one bit. HMRC will probably take one look at what's going on in his organisation, and piss themselves laughing before wheeling out the "Lester Piggott" routine.
I also followed up with this:
Given the hoops my Entomology Society has to jump through, courtesy of the Charity Commissioners, with an income that's at least two orders of magnitude lower than this, and their insistence upon properly balanced books, I'd say there's going to be a serious shitstorm let loose if there's a discrepancy in the accounts of a charity of the size of RDFRS, equalling 14% of its income.
And I wound up that post with the following words, directly addressed to LP:
There's also the political dimension. Namely, how this is going to hand ammunition on a plate to RD's enemies. Which is why I presume you've been cautious about pushing the aforementioned nuclear button.

Fucking hell, something is indeed rotten in the state of Denmark, Horatio.
Not quite as "non committal" with respect to the financial mess as has been alleged above.

I also refer everyone to this post, viz:
Oh, and speaking of the Charity Commissioners, I discovered recently that with respect to my Entomology Society, I am listed as a trustee thereof, which means that if anything goes shit shaped therein, I could find myself liable for a slice of whatever has gone missing. Which means I'm going to be paying a LOT more attention to that part of the AGM that deals with the accounts from now on. Even though it's unlikely that anyone is going to want to dip their hands in the till in an organisation that makes zero profit, is funded entirely from member subscriptions, and has total assets that are probably less than the loose change in Dawkins' pocket.

That tangential diversion aside, I've recently had reason to become acquainted with what the Charity Commissioners are like, and with our organisation, they have been ruthless of late. If we mis-handle the meticulous recording in the books of the purchase of a single postage stamp, we're likely to be given a hard smack across the chops. So this débacle should result in Dawkins having his arse cheeks well and truly stir-fried in fucking napalm.
In short, one can take it as read that I'm astonished, how he's continued to escape being well and truly Vinny Jones'ed by the short and curlies, by, amongst other people, the tax authorities. Those familiar with English football will understand the reference. For those that aren't, here's the requisite photo that ended up spread across the sports pages of just about every newspaper in the land a few years back:

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Basically, this is what the tax people do to you if you fuck with them. That's just for starters. After the aperitifs, they stick your nuts in this:

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Then as they're winding up for dessert, and preparing to hand the papers to the Crown Prosecution Service that will see you enjoying soap on a rope in Strangeways for the next 7 years or so, they treat your arse to a no-lube buggering with one of these:

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OK, my choice of imagery has been suitably hyperbolic, partly for comic effect, but basically, the taxman will leave you feeling as though you've been given the no-lube buggering with the above instrument after he's finished arranging the 3am raid on your home, having you dragged out of bed in your underpants and kept in a damp cell for 12 hours waiting for the interview under the gently swaying light bulb. Because that's one of the things people keep forgetting about the tax people here in the UK, namely that they have powers that some fascist secret police organisations would envy. Consequently, if you have any sense, you make sure that you tell them the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, otherwise they'll subject you to a rain of 50 megaton shit bombs. This preamble all leading up the fact that if LP has the sort of evidence she claims to, RD is in deep, deep shit. We're not talking just up to his neck in shit, we're talking buried under an ocean of shit to Marianas Trench depths. Once again, I'd hardly regard this as 'non committal'.

The possibilities that arise before me as I consider this Greek tragedy, are [1] the tax authorities in the US aren't as ruthless as ours, [2] someone big is shielding him from the consequences of his own incompetence, or [3] he's riding on the back of a truly monumental amount of luck, and playing an ever more dangerous game the more he continues riding that beast.

I seem to recall making similar pronouncements in PMs.

Oh, while I think about this, before I wind up this post, a fourth possibility has crossed my mind. Namely [4], as dire as the situation appears to be vis-a-vis RD's position with the tax and charity people, the creotards might be holding back because he's acquired dirt on them that's three or four orders of magnitude worse, and can buy himself out of the soap on a rope experience by turning Queen's Evidence in any action against them(or, in the US, State's Evidence). I really hope he does have that level of dirt on them, because frankly,, it wouldn't surprise me in the least to learn that, for example, Dembski was secretly recreating 120 Days of Sodom & Gomorrah in his basement whilst laundering Colombian cocaine funds.

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Post by Red Celt » Fri Feb 15, 2013 12:12 pm

As you like WW2-themed analogies, if the world is as "us v them" with "leaders" (which you appear to think it is), LP is sitting in the London Underground during the Blitz. Bombs are raining down up above, flattening homes and killing people. Meanwhile, huddled up along with the other dispossessed citizens of London, LP is telling everyone how she is building up a case that will prove the negligence of Winston Churchill's tax-management. And she can't work out why everyone isn't cheering her on.

Atheists who need atheistic "leaders" must be former theists who just can't give up on the idea of a father figure. Or perhaps they have daddy-issues.

Still, Calilasseia, your chances of getting a blowjob from LP at the next Ratz meet just got boosted quite considerably.

So... yay.
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