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Post by En_Route » Fri May 24, 2013 11:33 am

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En_Route wrote:The Irish are on the whole more amusing companions than the English but more slippery to deal with.

Claptrap.
Are you saying we are in fact less amusing?
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Post by MrJonno » Fri May 24, 2013 11:49 am

rEvolutionist wrote:Car's don't define your authoritarianism, Jonno. All your posts for the last couple of years do that.
I believe in law and order which is the basis of a functioning society and that may well include laws I don't agree with. I don't think pot should be illegal but no one should go around screaming about their 'rights' if they smoke it in front of a policeman and get arrested.

For laws to be possible there must be authority where a superior body has authority over the inferior. None of this crap about the people being the authority, a policeman/court can order me to do something as they have authority over me I can't order them to do so
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Post by pErvinalia » Fri May 24, 2013 11:59 am

Have you done the political compass test? I'd be interested to see where you sit.
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Post by MrJonno » Fri May 24, 2013 12:06 pm

rEvolutionist wrote:Have you done the political compass test? I'd be interested to see where you sit.
Will have to find it again but I pretty sure I came up as some lefty libertarian shit
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Post by pErvinalia » Fri May 24, 2013 12:07 pm

That was the old you. I doubt you'd be on the libertarian side any more.
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Post by MrJonno » Fri May 24, 2013 12:09 pm

Just doing it at the moment
All authority should be questioned.
Silly question it should always be questioned but that doesn't mean its a bad thing
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Post by MrJonno » Fri May 24, 2013 12:18 pm

Commie libertarian which says more about the test than about me

Really confusing questions, how can that be anything other than strongly agree?, its not an opinion its fact in that it avoids delays but that doesn't mean they arent other disadvantages
A significant advantage of a one-party state is that it avoids all the arguments that delay progress in a democratic political system.
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Post by Cormac » Fri May 24, 2013 12:19 pm

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Most Irish nationals are not nationalists.
I have no idea what you been by this.

Most Irish people are Republican Nationalists, but not in the sense that Sinn Fein, the IRA, the Loyalists, or the British mean when they twist these words to suit their own agendae.

Irish Nationalism is widely understood as embodying an aspiration for a United Ireland.

Correct. And that aspiration is declared in our constitution.
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Post by pErvinalia » Fri May 24, 2013 12:39 pm

MrJonno wrote:Commie libertarian which says more about the test than about me

Really confusing questions, how can that be anything other than strongly agree?, its not an opinion its fact in that it avoids delays but that doesn't mean they arent other disadvantages
A significant advantage of a one-party state is that it avoids all the arguments that delay progress in a democratic political system.
That test is clearly broken. Although, you are still an authoritarian fascist compared to me. I'm pretty much in the bottom left square.
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Post by PsychoSerenity » Fri May 24, 2013 12:51 pm

rEvolutionist wrote: That test is clearly broken. Although, you are still an authoritarian fascist compared to me. I'm pretty much in the bottom left square.
I don't think it's broken. To test it I answered how I thought a complete twat would and got fairly close to the top right corner.
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Post by Svartalf » Fri May 24, 2013 12:53 pm

En_Route wrote:
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Most Irish nationals are not nationalists.
I have no idea what you been by this.

Most Irish people are Republican Nationalists, but not in the sense that Sinn Fein, the IRA, the Loyalists, or the British mean when they twist these words to suit their own agendae.

Irish Nationalism is widely understood as embodying an aspiration for a United Ireland.
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Post by Svartalf » Fri May 24, 2013 12:54 pm

En_Route wrote:
Cormac wrote:
En_Route wrote:The Irish are on the whole more amusing companions than the English but more slippery to deal with.

Claptrap.
Are you saying we are in fact less amusing?
The brits definitely try to claim Oscar Wilde and GB Shaw for themselves.
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Post by pErvinalia » Fri May 24, 2013 12:58 pm

PsychoSerenity wrote:
rEvolutionist wrote: That test is clearly broken. Although, you are still an authoritarian fascist compared to me. I'm pretty much in the bottom left square.
I don't think it's broken. To test it I answered how I thought a complete twat would and got fairly close to the top right corner.
:lol: Yeah, well it's broken for Jonno. Or he's lying. His views couldn't honestly be considered libertarian. Most modern politicians are in the upper right quadrant somewhere. Jonno is more authoritarian than most modern politicians.
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Post by MrJonno » Fri May 24, 2013 1:36 pm

Nah those on the right think many at the bottom of society are scum and should be shot, I just think they are scum but should be bribed not to riot and make a mess of the place.

I also think there is nothing wrong with a government giving a strong nudge to people to do the right thing which isn't the same as forcing them
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Post by En_Route » Fri May 24, 2013 1:56 pm

That's the one that starts:
"In the Name of the Most Holy Trinity, from Whom is all authority and to Whom, as our final end, all actions both of men and States must be referred,
We, the people of Éire,Humbly acknowledging all our obligations to our Divine Lord, Jesus Christ, Who sustained our fathers through centuries of trial...."

It no more follows that the majority of Irish nationals are necessarily Christians than that the majority of them actually aspire to a United Ireland. Most people in the Republic are at best wary of the North and have no proprietorial interest in it.
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