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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Jul 05, 2009 3:43 pm

The most violent country in Europe: Britain is also worse than South Africa and U.S.

By James Slack
Last updated at 12:14 AM on 03rd July 2009

Britain's violent crime record is worse than any other country in the European union, it has been revealed.

Official crime figures show the UK also has a worse rate for all types of violence than the U.S. and even South Africa - widely considered one of the world's most dangerous countries.

The figures comes on the day new Home Secretary Alan Johnson makes his first major speech on crime, promising to be tough on loutish behaviour.

The Tories said Labour had presided over a decade of spiralling violence.

In the decade following the party's election in 1997, the number of recorded violent attacks soared by 77 per cent to 1.158million - or more than two every minute.

The figures, compiled from reports released by the European Commission and United Nations, also show:

* The UK has the second highest overall crime rate in the EU.
* It has a higher homicide rate than most of our western European neighbours, including France, Germany, Italy and Spain.
* The UK has the fifth highest robbery rate in the EU.
* It has the fourth highest burglary rate and the highest absolute number of burglaries in the EU, with double the number of offences than recorded in Germany and France.

But it is the naming of Britain as the most violent country in the EU that is most shocking. The analysis is based on the number of crimes per 100,000 residents.

In the UK, there are 2,034 offences per 100,000 people, way ahead of second-placed Austria with a rate of 1,677
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The U.S. has a violence rate of 466 crimes per 100,000 residents, Canada 935, Australia 92 and South Africa 1,609.

Shadow Home Secretary Chris Grayling said: 'This is a damning indictment of this government's comprehensive failure over more than a decade to tackle the deep rooted social problems in our society, and the knock on effect on crime and anti-social behaviour.

'We're now on our fourth Home Secretary this parliament, and all we are getting is a rehash of old initiatives that didn't work the first time round. More than ever Britain needs a change of direction.'

The figures, compiled by the Tories, are considered the most accurate and up-to-date available.

But criminologists say crime figures can be affected by many factors, including different criminal justice systems and differences in how crime is reported and measured.
New Home Secretary Alan Johnson is to make his first major speech on crime today

In Britain, an affray is considered a violent crime, while in other countries it will only be logged if a person is physically injured.

There are also degrees of violence. While the UK ranks above South Africa for all violent crime, South Africans suffer more than 20,000 murders each year - compared with Britain's 921 in 2007.

Experts say there are a number of reasons why violence is soaring in the UK. These include Labour's decision to relax the licensing laws to allow round-the-clock opening, which has led to a rise in the number of serious assaults taking place in the early hours of the morning.

But Police Minister David Hanson said: 'These figures are misleading.
Levels of police recorded crime statistics from different countries are simply not comparable since they are affected by many factors, for example the recording of violent crime in other countries may not include behaviour that we would categorise as violent crime.

'Violent crime in England and Wales has fallen by almost a half a peak in 1995 but we are not complacent and know there is still work to do. That is why last year we published 'Saving lives. Reducing harm. Protecting the public. An Action Plan for Tackling Violence 2008-11'.'

The timing of the Europe-wide violence figures is a blow for Mr Johnson, who will today seek to reassert Labour's law and order credentials.

In his first major speech on crime since becoming Home Secretary, Mr Johnson is expected to promise a concerted crack down on antisocial behaviour.

He wants to set up a website to allow the public to see what is taking place in their neighbourhood, such as the number of louts who have been served with Asbos.

Mr Johnson is also known to support early intervention to stop children going off the rails.
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Post by Pappa » Mon Jul 06, 2009 12:06 pm

Did you know 25% of South African men have admitted raping another human?

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I read about it in the New Scientist a few weeks ago, but I can't find a link to the article.
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Post by Clinton Huxley » Mon Jul 06, 2009 12:11 pm

The devil is in the detail - in the UK, barging to the front of the queue and cheating at cards are considered "violent crimes", as is using harsh language in the presence of a lady and drinking red wine with the fish course.
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Post by Ace » Mon Jul 06, 2009 12:27 pm

Thank the blasted government!
There is no justice system. The victems are punished and the criminals are rewarded. I think I read somewhere that a car thef who got caught and was banned from driving even though he had no licence in the first place. No other charges were filed. See? No justice system! :Erasb:

There was another case where an old women was attack by a group of teens and she managed to fight them off with her hand bag. She called the police and she was the one who was arrested. The yobs got of the hook. Todays justice system punishes the victem and rewards the criminals. :nono:
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Post by Clinton Huxley » Mon Jul 06, 2009 12:32 pm

In my mother's local paper it was detailed how an 18 year old youth was charged and fined for stealing a 49p packet of condoms from Home and Bargain.

It is salient to note, as the article does, that violence can mean different things in each country. Compare the UKs 900 or so murders a year, with South Africa's 20000. So you may be more likely to be the victim of "a violent crime", however defined, but you are less likely to suffer the ultimate violence than in other countries.

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Post by Xamonas Chegwé » Mon Jul 06, 2009 12:48 pm

Ace wrote:Thank the blasted government!
There is no justice system. The victems are punished and the criminals are rewarded. I think I read somewhere that a car thef who got caught and was banned from driving even though he had no licence in the first place. No other charges were filed. See? No justice system! :Erasb:

There was another case where an old women was attack by a group of teens and she managed to fight them off with her hand bag. She called the police and she was the one who was arrested. The yobs got of the hook. Todays justice system punishes the victem and rewards the criminals. :nono:
Those sound rather anecdotal to me, Ace. I hear a dozen stories like that in the pub most nights and believe none of them. Such cases are extremely rare and usually make headlines when they happen. Do you have links?

Anyway. Top of the violence league means England's fucking HARD! I reckon they just published those stats to put the shits up the Iranians. :tup:
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Post by Clinton Huxley » Mon Jul 06, 2009 12:50 pm

Used to be we could round up the hard cases for the Navy, or just send 'em to Oz etc. Now we are stuck with the knuckle-heads...
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Post by Ace » Mon Jul 06, 2009 12:56 pm

Xamonas Chegwé wrote: Those sound rather anecdotal to me, Ace. I hear a dozen stories like that in the pub most nights and believe none of them. Such cases are extremely rare and usually make headlines when they happen. Do you have links?

Anyway. Top of the violence league means England's fucking HARD! I reckon they just published those stats to put the shits up the Iranians. :tup:
Not links but friends and their experiances. Plus news papers. :biggrin:

England is hard, for that I have no doubt. :tup:

I kinda joined a vigilante group sometime ago.

What we need is military service, where all the young and cocky go and get some well needed dicipline.
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Ace wrote:
Xamonas Chegwé wrote: Those sound rather anecdotal to me, Ace. I hear a dozen stories like that in the pub most nights and believe none of them. Such cases are extremely rare and usually make headlines when they happen. Do you have links?

Anyway. Top of the violence league means England's fucking HARD! I reckon they just published those stats to put the shits up the Iranians. :tup:
Not links but friends and their experiances. Plus news papers. :biggrin:

England is hard, for that I have no doubt. :tup:

I kinda joined a vigilante group sometime ago.

What we need is military service, where all the young and cocky go and get some well needed dicipline.
We have no need for young and cocky in today's army. Gone are the days of marching the nation's riff-raff into the path of a cavalry charge. these days they like people that are tech-savvy and have a modicum of intelligence. Who'd a thought, eh?

Mind you, that doesn't stop the Daily Mail bleating on about bringing back National Service. I say just castrate the fuckers. A lack of testosterone has a remarkable calming effect - plus they can't breed - win win!
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Post by Ace » Mon Jul 06, 2009 1:07 pm

Xamonas Chegwé wrote:
We have no need for young and cocky in today's army. Gone are the days of marching the nation's riff-raff into the path of a cavalry charge. these days they like people that are tech-savvy and have a modicum of intelligence. Who'd a thought, eh?

Mind you, that doesn't stop the Daily Mail bleating on about bringing back National Service. I say just castrate the fuckers. A lack of testosterone has a remarkable calming effect - plus they can't breed - win win!
You should pay a visit down here. Idiots wherever you go. I had a stone thrown at me whilst I was walking up to town. They missed and got into shit further on since a few coppers were near. There is always a siren going around here. Twats speeding, stealing and assulting people. The police presents are large here and they need to be. We need to bring back the gallows! :lay:
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Post by Trinity » Mon Jul 06, 2009 8:50 pm

sigh, reading stuff like this makes me sad and frustrated. People are so quick to judge, point fingers, stereotype, shift responsibly, think of one another as separate. This separation, isolation from each other compounds the whole fucking sorry state that we're in. It's going to take some epic shift in attitude and awareness; to higher levels than "he/she must be punished; he/she is at fault because...., he/she should not be allowed to....".
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Post by Mallardz » Mon Jul 06, 2009 8:55 pm

The only crimes round here are drinking in public and its only those blasted kids.
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Post by AshtonBlack » Mon Jul 06, 2009 9:37 pm

As was pointed out earlier
There is NOT enough information here.
Do not forget that different countries have differing standards of police reporting, let alone, laws defining the crimes.

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Post by Xamonas Chegwé » Mon Jul 06, 2009 9:52 pm

AshtonBlack wrote:As was pointed out earlier
There is NOT enough information here.
Do not forget that different countries have differing standards of police reporting, let alone, laws defining the crimes.
Also note that the source is the main opposition party in the year leading up to a general election! Just saying. :tea:
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