Are all Muslims closet extremists or not?

[cronus]

There's a widespread urban myth that Muslims are a bit like Zola Budd and come in only one speed range behind closed doors? Maybe based on the endless atrocities that summon parades when against the Muslim and apparently silence when the perpatraitor is a Muslim? Do you think there are any true moderates behind the closed door?

[Svartalf]

I'm sure there are plenty muslims who like to have a BLT and a beer in peace

[Hermit]

Do you think there are any true moderates behind the closed door?

I personally know about a dozen persons that are of the Islamic persuasion, and not a single Muslim fundamentalist.

[cronus]

Do you think there are any true moderates behind the closed door?

I personally know about a dozen persons that are of the Islamic persuasion, and not a single Muslim fundamentalist.

I've seen them in the streets also with their Hare Krishna garb. Won't hear a bad word from me, either. Got a neck to think about.

[JimC]

Come out of the fucking closet is all I can say...

[rainbow]

As with Atheist baby eaters. Out of the closet all of you!

[Brian Peacock]

The problem isn't necessarily Islam, but fundamentalism. But if Muslims believe that the Koran is the final and perfect word of their godling, and that every member of the faith has a duty to their godling to bring about a global Caliphate, then what Muslim isn't a fundamentalist?

[rainbow]

The problem isn't necessarily Islam, but fundamentalism. But if Muslims believe that the Koran is the final and perfect word of their godling, and that every member of the faith has a duty to their godling to bring about a global Caliphate, then what Muslim isn't a fundamentalist?

Sure and all Atheists eat babies.

There is a lot that we can agree on

[cronus]

I'm of the opinion that if you are at war with some people over something, ideology material assets or religion, then you should round up the enemy if there are any on your own patch. At least for the duration of the hostilities.

[Brian Peacock]

The problem isn't necessarily Islam, but fundamentalism. But if Muslims believe that the Koran is the final and perfect word of their godling, and that every member of the faith has a duty to their godling to bring about a global Caliphate, then what Muslim isn't a fundamentalist?

Sure and all Atheists eat babies.

There is a lot that we can agree on

Hmm. The fundaments of Islam are accepting the assertion that a godling exits, that the Koran is the final, perfect word of that godling, and that it is every Muslim's duty to make Islam the measure of all human affairs. That's not bad mouthing Muslims or accusing all Muslims of being suicide-bombing nutjobs.

And I wouldn't disagree if you said that atheists are fundamentalists in their own way - it's not like we only partly disbelieve claims for godlings, or only occasionally think that the myths of long-dead cultures are silly and irrelevant, or whatever.

The point is, how does one effectively challenge religious fundamentalism without challenging the fundamentals of the faith, particularly when those fundamentals are the excuses used by religious fundamentalists for violence?

I've yet to come across an atheist who asserts that disbelieving in godlings fundamentally justifies putting babies on the menu or that it makes baby-noshing a duty for everyone.

[laklak]

There are probably a few moderates, but you can't tell them from the radicals. Sort of like mosquitoes, actually. The vast majority of mosquitoes don't bite people, but we kill them all anyway.

[cronus]

...round 'em up. Us or them. It's survival. Don't wait for the big one with a dirty nuke or something. Think ahead....look where it's all going?

[Hermit]

There are probably a few moderates, but you can't tell them from the radicals. Sort of like mosquitoes, actually. The vast majority of mosquitoes don't bite people, but we kill them all anyway.

A friend of mine lived in Berlin. In the early thirties he was part of a group that battled the SA heavies who turned up to destroy meetings organised by the Social Democratic Party. Some time after Hitler got the enabling act through the Reichstag he was picked up by the Gestapo one night, accused him of being a communist and locked up in a concentration camp built for that purpose. He managed to talk himself through the gates, hitched to den Haag, smuggled himself on board of some random freighter and finished up in Canada. The Canadians did not want to know about him because he was, you know, German, and therefore a Nazi. Eventually he was expelled and arrived in New Zealand just when the war broke out. The Kiwis immediately declared him to be a Class 1 Enemy Alien because he was, you know, German, and therefore a Nazi and locked him up in a concentration camp built for that purpose. Lucky he wasn't mistaken for a mosquito, eh?

[cronus]

You can always find a few examples to declare any policy invalid. What we need is action, a round up. Yes, it will be a blunt instrument and won't be ideal. No action on the other hand is to invite disaster.

[Hermit]

And thus we become indistinguishable from the enemy we fight. Excellent plan.