Jury Weighs Faith-Healing Death Case Against Girl's Dad

[tattuchu]

"Dale Neumann was doing what he thought would work for his daughter," Kronenwetter said. "He was administering faith healing. He thought it was working."
Of course, the praying didn't work, Kronenwetter said: "He was terribly wrong and no one feels that more than Dale Neumann."

I wonder if he does feel that he was wrong. I doubt it. Religious zealots have a way of rationalizing anything. So what is this guy really thinking, now that his daughter is dead? Is he thinking his god betrayed him? Is he wondering if perhaps there isn't a god after all? Or does he think it was simply his daughter's time to go and that her death was all part of God's plan and, as such, he is in no way responsible for her death?

[RPizzle]

"Dale Neumann was doing what he thought would work for his daughter," Kronenwetter said. "He was administering faith healing. He thought it was working."
Of course, the praying didn't work, Kronenwetter said: "He was terribly wrong and no one feels that more than Dale Neumann."

I wonder if he does feel that he was wrong. I doubt it. Religious zealots have a way of rationalizing anything. So what is this guy really thinking, now that his daughter is dead? Is he thinking his god betrayed him? Is he wondering if perhaps there isn't a god after all? Or does he think it was simply his daughter's time to go and that her death was all part of God's plan and, as such, he is in no way responsible for her death?

These may have been mentioned here already, but I read something similar to this in which a child also died. The parents' laid the fault with the child for not believing enough in Christ. There was another one in which a family disowned a teenager for getting surgery for cancer instead of 'healing' it with prayer.

[tattuchu]

These may have been mentioned here already, but I read something similar to this in which a child also died. The parents' laid the fault with the child for not believing enough in Christ. There was another one in which a family disowned a teenager for getting surgery for cancer instead of 'healing' it with prayer.

Or maybe the parents just didn't pray hard enough

Funny thing about prayer. The believers tend to think it works. But then when it doesn't work...well, the response I get from believers when I question why it doesn't work is, "Well it doesn't work that way. You don't just wish for something and then it happens. That's not the purpose of prayer*." It isn't I wish they'd make up their fucking minds. When they get what they want after praying, it's proof to them that prayer works. But when they don't get what they want, it's "that's not the way prayer works" or "their faith wasn't strong enough" or "well sometimes the answer is no." It does me head in

*I got into a discussion about this on another forum once, and this person was telling me that prayer was not like a request line to your local DJ, that wasn't the purpose of it. Okay, fair enough. So what is the purpose, I asked. And I got a very vague reply, something about just...communing with God, I guess. Gives you a chance to talk to him and praise him and that sort of thing. "So it's strictly a one-way conversation, then?" I asked, "It produces no results? It doesn't change anything? God never involves himself in our affairs? So basically you're just talking to yourself, then, and maybe God is listening and maybe he isn't, but it doesn't matter because it doesn't make any difference anyway." And I think his answer was that I just didn't understand, and that prayer was different things to different people, which was just pleasant sounding nonsense as far as I was concerned. Most people are brought up to believe that praying to God produces some kind of result. Either this is true, or this is false. Which is it?
If people can't even agree on what prayer is exactly, then what the fuck is the point? People can't even agree on what God is. I get the same kind of rubbish. "God is different things to different people." So God is whatever you want it to be, it's whatever you think it is? Or it's just people can't agree on what it is? If I say, "Look, if God is this this and this, then It doesn't logically follow that this this and this." And the response I get is that God isn't necessarily those things, and how can we know what God is. Then why the fuck am I taught from birth that God is all those things?! And if we don't even know what precisely it is that we believe in, then how can we believe in it?! How can we believe in something we can't even define? I'm not saying we need to know all it's properties in every detail. It'd just be nice to agree on what the damned thing is.

[GenesForLife]

What does prayer bring to theists that atheists don't have?
You'll find that the net difference is zero (you can shut your eyes, listen to music and breathe deeply without having to believe in magic man) and therefore prayer is a naff idea , ostensibly to confer on people the "benefits" of meditation by threatening them of damnation in case of non-compliance, it's all social control, fellas.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

What does prayer bring to theists that atheists don't have?
You'll find that the net difference is zero (you can shut your eyes, listen to music and breathe deeply without having to believe in magic man) and therefore prayer is a naff idea , ostensibly to confer on people the "benefits" of meditation by threatening them of damnation in case of non-compliance, it's all social control, fellas.

The "pastors" are called shepherds because they push the sheeple around.

[Animavore]

What a fuckwit.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

What a fuckwit.

Am NOT!

[Trolldor]

A win for rational humanism. .

Firstly, 'rational humanism' didn't do shit. Secondly, it's not a victory anyone should have to achieve, and especially not one to gloat over. That any of this even happened is the failings of the pathetic human vanity which drives so many people in thinking they're special, they're 'blessed'. Whether guilty or innocent, a child died because a man was not only irrational and pretentious, but he had been groomed to be.

[AshtonBlack]

Has this been posted yet?


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[Pappa]

A win for rational humanism. .

Firstly, 'rational humanism' didn't do shit. Secondly, it's not a victory anyone should have to achieve, and especially not one to gloat over. That any of this even happened is the failings of the pathetic human vanity which drives so many people in thinking they're special, they're 'blessed'. Whether guilty or innocent, a child died because a man was not only irrational and pretentious, but he had been groomed to be.

I'm special, and blessed.

[Faithfree]

Has this been posted yet?


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsMfn88Z ... rofilepage[/youtube]

[charlou]

A win for rational humanism. .

Firstly, 'rational humanism' didn't do shit. Secondly, it's not a victory anyone should have to achieve, and especially not one to gloat over. That any of this even happened is the failings of the pathetic human vanity which drives so many people in thinking they're special, they're 'blessed'. Whether guilty or innocent, a child died because a man was not only irrational and pretentious, but he had been groomed to be.

hmmm ... I didn't think of my thought there as gloating, but rather a sense of hope and optimism as a result of a sensible outcome whereby a criminal justice system recognised that a child's preventable death was due to reckless negligence and the perpetrators have been made an example of ... but you've given me pause for thought, baa, and I always appreciate that.

[GenesForLife]

Religious humanity = monkey trouble.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

http://www.wausaudailyherald.com/articl ... WDHopinion

[AshtonBlack]

http://www.wausaudailyherald.com/articl ... WDHopinion

"You are hearby sentanced to 15 rounds, or to the death, cage fight against this man: ... and if you survive you get to spend you're life praying the big man won't come a calling. The big man here: ...is this man: and he unfortunately someone told him you are going there."