All Things Trump: Is it over yet?

[Forty Two]

So - back to the OP topic?

"Is it over yet?"

Yes, indeed, it's over. Nobody in the Trump campaign did anything to constitute collusion with Russia.

No, the "it" in the topic refers to Trump's presidency. Unfortunately it isn't over yet.

We need to get the ball rolling for a repeal of the 22nd Amendment - will take a few years, so we'll need time for Trump's third term in 2024.

[Forty Two]

"Climate change" is the prefered nomenclature. Who fucking knows? Looks like the climate is changing, at least from what we can tell from the tiny little chunk of data we've got. Not shit we can do about it, because a) if it truly is anthropogenic nobody is going to do anything about it because there are 5 billion ground apes lining up for air conditioning and new cars, and b) if it isn't anthropogenic there's fuck all anyone can do about it anyway. Mother Earth doesn't give a shit, she'll be fine, and in 10,000 years you won't even know we were ever here. Seth wasn't always wrong, you know, adapt or die. It has always been thus. Ask any trilobite.

Aderpt or derp!

I think that if the first world cuts emissions by 20%, then the third world can do whatever they want and it'll be fine. All we need to do is give them a few hundred billion dollars.

[Forty Two]

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Why not? Surely, you and they aren't afraid of a little investigation? All we'd be learning is the truth.... nothing more.

Remember, the DOJ, prosecutors, teams of investigating agents, and the Special Counsel's office are staffed by hard-working, focused officials who toil thanklessly with only one thing in mind, the good of the country....

[Forty Two]

"Climate change" is the prefered nomenclature. Who fucking knows? Looks like the climate is changing, at least from what we can tell from the tiny little chunk of data we've got. Not shit we can do about it, because a) if it truly is anthropogenic nobody is going to do anything about it because there are 5 billion ground apes lining up for air conditioning and new cars, and b) if it isn't anthropogenic there's fuck all anyone can do about it anyway. Mother Earth doesn't give a shit, she'll be fine, and in 10,000 years you won't even know we were ever here. Seth wasn't always wrong, you know, adapt or die. It has always been thus. Ask any trilobite.

But there is shit we can do about it, and there's shit other countries are doing about it, but we Merkins aren't going to do shit about it because we keep putting the goddamn Republicans in power! Many of us would prefer to adapt rather than die, but Republicans make that impossible.

The US is actually doing more than most other countries. https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/20 ... bcd3d35355

[Tero]

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Why not? Surely, you and they aren't afraid of a little investigation? All we'd be learning is the truth.... nothing more.

Remember, the DOJ, prosecutors, teams of investigating agents, and the Special Counsel's office are staffed by hard-working, focused officials who toil thanklessly with only one thing in mind, the good of the country....

To what end? There is no evidence of a conspiracy and there is nobody to remove from office.

[Seabass]

Did you bother to read the WaPo article cited by the article you linked?

But this new bit of spin is also misleading. (We will set aside the irony that these reductions took place under President Barack Obama.)

We are one of the biggest polluters in world. We are one of the biggest polluters per capita in the world. We could be polluting far less, but we're going in the wrong direction because of your beef-brained, racist, science-denying, deregulating cult leader.

[Tero]

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Why not? Surely, you and they aren't afraid of a little investigation? All we'd be learning is the truth.... nothing more.

Remember, the DOJ, prosecutors, teams of investigating agents, and the Special Counsel's office are staffed by hard-working, focused officials who toil thanklessly with only one thing in mind, the good of the country....

To what end? There is no evidence of a conspiracy and there is nobody to remove from office.

[Tero]

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Until we see the report..

[L'Emmerdeur]

The Barr letter leaves a lot of questions unanswered. Its characterization of the relationship between the Trump campaign and the Russian election interference operation is very carefully worded, and to me it smells that the only substantive information we're given is a sentence fragment from Mueller's report. '(T)he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.' What preceded that fragment, and why did Barr decide not to include the entire sentence?

We know that most of the contacts between Russians and Trump associates and members of the Trump campaign (that they repeatedly and copiously lied about) were not with members of the Russian government, but with private citizens who had ties with the government. Trump sycophants have repeatedly pointed out that the IRA troll farm is not an official Russian government operation. It's run by a private citizen who is a close associate of Putin's. Oleg Deripaska, with whom Manafort had extensive dealings, is not part of the Russian government either, though he's another of Putin's henchmen. We could speculate about what precedes the sentence fragment, but we shouldn't have to.

Perhaps Barr is dismissing evidence that was found relating to this matter which doesn't rise to the level of proving beyond a reasonable doubt that a crime was committed. We simply don't know, and while I understand why Trump sycophants are cheering, and others breathing a sigh of relief that Trump's campaign wasn't engaged in shady dealings with Russians, it seems to me that they're being a bit premature.

In regard to obstruction of justice, Barr has stepped in to make a judgement where Mueller declined to. We already know that Barr's view of presidential powers and how they relate to the question of obstruction of justice is contrary to that of other legal scholars, and he has a history of shielding the executive branch from the consequences of highly dubious actions. He was brought in by Trump mostly on the basis of an unsolicited memo detailing his views on the matter, so it isn't surprising that he came down on it where he did. No doubt Trump and his supporters hope that Barr has said the last word on this issue, but there is little question that we will be hearing more about it.

[Tero]

You mean?

[Sean Hayden]

Oh dear god. So what are you saying, Mueller knows Trump comitted a crime but isn't going to say anything? Or he said it in a report but only legal experts can tease out the crime from the report?

This sounds batshit to me, like you're getting into birther territory.

[Joe]

Deleted. The post I was responding to went away.

[laklak]

Oh there's plenty of Birther Territory to go around.

[Sean Hayden]

One big fucking womb, the cosmic canal, get in the boat!

[laklak]

Take it right to ludicrous speed!