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Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Dec 30, 2019 7:17 am

Nature will have the last word on the climate crisis

Hope for systemic change ignited by activism snuffed out by policymakers and lobbyists



The climate crisis, according to Nobel laureate economist Joseph Stiglitz, “is our third World War. It needs a bold response.” And, after decades of political gesturing and public apathy, 2019 may be remembered as the year the world began to fitfully awaken to the deadly threat of ecological collapse.

The ripples of awareness are spreading quickly. The Collins dictionary chose “climate strike” as its word of the year, while the Oxford English dictionary plumped for “climate emergency”. Meanwhile, teenage activist Greta Thunberg has become Time magazine’s youngest ever person of the year.

After a decade and more campaigning on this issue, I should be feeling elated that the message is finally breaking through. Instead, I remain haunted by HG Wells’s description of history as being a race between education and catastrophe. And, on the eve of 2020, it hardly feels like we’re winning.

The flicker of hope for real change ignited by the school-strike movement and Extinction Rebellion has been snuffed out by politicians, policymakers and corporate lobbyists

First, the politics. The recent Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) COP25 meeting opened with the direst of warnings from United Nations secretary general António Guterres: “Humanity is knowingly destroying the planetary support system.” Despite this, it ended with a whimper in Madrid earlier this month. “Make no mistake, this was a failure of epic proportions,” said Irish climatologist Prof John Sweeney.

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The IPCC was first convened in the early 1990s to tackle the threat of dangerous climate change, yet in the quarter century since its inception, global CO2 emissions have actually doubled. Soaring rhetoric has consistently crumbled in the face of a reality in which politics is beholden to powerful interests and bewitched by the imperative of endless economic growth.

“Ruin is the destination toward which all men rush, each pursuing his own best interest in a society that believes in the freedom of the commons,” ecologist Garret Hardin presciently wrote in 1968. “Freedom in a commons brings ruin to all.”

The flicker of hope for real system change ignited this year by the international school-strike movement and the street activism of Extinction Rebellion, among others, has been snuffed out by the politicians, policymakers and corporate lobbyists in Madrid.

Nature, however, will have the last word. The Arctic region is now warming so rapidly that it is releasing more than a billion tons of CO2 annually from melting permafrost – this is equivalent to the total emissions for Japan and Russia combined...


https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/natu ... -1.4123780
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Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Dec 30, 2019 7:38 am


Firms must justify investment in fossil fuels, warns Mark Carney

Outgoing Bank of England governor says financial sector cutting back too slowly on investing in oil


The outgoing governor of the Bank of England, Mark Carney, has said all companies and financial institutions must justify their continued investment in fossil fuels, and warned that assets in the sector could end up “worthless”.

In an interview with BBC Radio 4’s Today programme being broadcast on Monday, Carney said that although the financial sector was starting to cut back on investment in oil and gas companies, the process was not moving quickly enough.

Carney, who will focus on his new role as UN special envoy for climate change and finance after he steps down from the governorship in the new year, agreed to appear on the programme for an edition edited by the climate crisis campaigner Greta Thunberg, one of several guest editors on Today over the holiday period.

Carney has been one of the most vocal central bank governors on the need for the financial sector to do more to transition towards a zero-carbon economy.

He told the programme that the climate crisis was a “tragedy on the horizon” and that more extreme weather events were inevitable. “By the time that the extreme events become so prevalent and so obvious, it will be too late to do anything about it,” he said. Political leaders had to “start addressing future problems today”.

On the issue of whether investors should be divesting from companies in the fossil fuel sector, Carney said fund managers would “have to make the judgment and justify to the people whose money it ultimately is”.
When pressed on whether pension funds should divest from oil and gas companies even if the returns were attractive, he replied: “Well that hasn’t been the case but they could make that argument. They need to make the argument, to be clear about why is that going to be the case if a substantial proportion of those assets are going to be worthless.”

He warned: “If we were to burn all those oil and gases, there’s no way we would meet carbon budgets. Up to 80% of coal assets will be stranded, [and] up to half of developed oil reserves. A question for every company, every financial institution, every asset manager, pension fund or insurer: what’s your plan?”...

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Re: Extinction Rebellion

Post by JimC » Mon Dec 30, 2019 7:52 am

Basically, we're fucked, but I will continue to rage, rage, rage against the dying...
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Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Dec 30, 2019 8:25 am

Rage and rebel! :lay:

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Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Jan 06, 2020 11:54 am

Business as usual eh Scot?
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Post by Scot Dutchy » Mon Jan 06, 2020 8:39 pm

Yep Brian. Hypocrisy is every where.
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Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Jan 06, 2020 9:12 pm

You've just maligning a teenager's motivation and character by making her responsible for the political and economic systems which perpetuate exploitation and colonialism - the political and economic systems she's actually challenging - just to score a point. Feel better now? You haven't twigged that climate/environmental justice and social justice are two sides of the same coin.
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Re: Extinction Rebellion

Post by JimC » Mon Jan 06, 2020 9:56 pm

There is certainly a need for taking a long, hard, rational look at the consequences of technological developments, including those such as increased battery use (storage or cars). Mining companies need to be brought to account for their exploitative actions in third world countries, but that does not mean throwing your hands up in the air, and saying that all the possibilities of greener technologies are flawed.

But, as Brian said, that image is a very cheap shot at Greta, and all of those pushing as hard as possible to mitigate the disastrous direction we are on...
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Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Jan 06, 2020 10:45 pm

I'm actually pretty surprised that Scot resorted to the climate deniers memebank simply to troll the thread. But hey-ho...
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Post by Scot Dutchy » Mon Jan 06, 2020 10:58 pm

Brian Peacock wrote:
Mon Jan 06, 2020 9:12 pm
You've just maligning a teenager's motivation and character by making her responsible for the political and economic systems which perpetuate exploitation and colonialism - the political and economic systems she's actually challenging - just to score a point. Feel better now? You haven't twigged that climate/environmental justice and social justice are two sides of the same coin.
WTTF Brian. You dont get it do you. She is like so many claiming that first world has to change everything but leave the third world to be exploited. Just what is she challenging? We have so many problems in the world to sort out without even scratching on the environment. As always the 1% determines what has priority and number one is their environment. Never mind all the slave workers in the world. The eleven year old Bangladeshi girls sold into prostitution and raped every night for $5. The Nigerian kids grovelling in the mud so we can have our electronics. Brian I could really not care one hoot about the environment as long all these incredible and horrendous injustices take place.
A Saudi prince had a party and ordered twenty Bangladeshi girls for entertainment and to be used anyway his guests wanted. What happened to those girls after the party? Shot and dumped into the sea.
Do you think I listen to the darling Greta? What do you think?
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Post by Scot Dutchy » Mon Jan 06, 2020 11:01 pm

Brian Peacock wrote:
Mon Jan 06, 2020 10:45 pm
I'm actually pretty surprised that Scot resorted to the climate deniers memebank simply to troll the thread. But hey-ho...
It has nothing to do with climate deniers Brian but the injustices going on in the world that are being ignored by all those lovely people. You just dance to the fiddle of the 1% but you cant see it.
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Post by Scot Dutchy » Mon Jan 06, 2020 11:03 pm

I am really surprised at you Brian. Start thinking man FFS.
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Post by Brian Peacock » Mon Jan 06, 2020 11:34 pm

After you. :tea:

You know I'm involved with Extinction Rebellion and you know that XR are highlighting climate, environmental and socio-political injustice on a global platform. You also know that part of what XR are about is bringing hope to a hopeless situation, particularly in the face of cynical fatalism which bleats on incessantly about the impossibility of change. Things can change very quickly when people act together - admittedly both for the good and for the bad. We all thought the Soviet Union was forever until it wasn't. They said that Germany could never be united until it was. Nobody seriously thought that the US would elect Trump or that the UK would leave the EU. Greta isn't a god, or the leader of a cult, she's a teenager, a child, who took a personal step to challenge her government and hold it to account for its failure to live up to its own analysis and rhetoric on the climate issue, and she became the face of a movement for her trouble. Greta, by her action, gave hope to a new generation. People of her age are not responsible for the state of the world - people our age are. You should turn your anger and frustration on them and then demand that those with the power to change things actually change things for all our sake. But you won't, because you're comfortable and you've accepted the liberal story that you can't make a difference, so why even try eh? People Greta's age are about to inherit the world we left them with, and many of them don't like what they see before them. That silly kind of point scoring and hand wringing you've gone in for is totally irrelevant - it won't change anything and ultimately only feeds into the pockets of those who desperately want everything to carry on just as it is for as long as they can get away with. That level of supercilious insouciance is typical of a reactionary conservative mindset, and in the light of the problems we are all facing today, right now, it makes me want to puke.
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Re: Extinction Rebellion

Post by JimC » Tue Jan 07, 2020 4:36 am

Scot does not seem to realise that fighting social injustice, anywhere in the world, and wanting action to mitigate climate change, are not mutually exclusive...
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