Yet more problematic stuff

[Seabass]

Wait, so now you're saying a common understanding of the term is limited to the playground? Again, do you think calling educated blacks "white" is far removed from the term house negro, or that they share a different origin? 'Oh look at x, he's talking like the master now...'

Of course ‘house negro’ is a racial slur
It is incredible that anyone would pretend otherwise.

The divide-and-rule tactic on the plantation – separating the light and dark slaves – was clever. It prevented uprisings. The house slaves didn’t want to lose their privileges and favours. They felt superior for being light and had the master’s ear.

Understandably, the field negroes were resentful of the house negroes and their desirability, however artificial. This dynamic, I stress, still exists today. It is one of the many reasons why being black (of whatever hue) in the West is never straightforward. White people don’t have to think about these things. It comes with the privilege of being white. But I digress.

Make no mistake, house negro can only ever be an insult and it can only be directed at black people. It is a racial slur. How the black academic Kehinde Andrews can now claim that it is anything other than a racial slur is baffling. I can only assume that he dislikes Robinson so much that he is willing to defend an Indian woman throwing a racial slur at a black man. That, or perhaps Kehinde has internalised this dark-skin, light-skin divide. As Bob Marley says, we would all do well to free ourselves from this mental slavery.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/08/2 ... cial-slur/

The argument is less important than who is making it here i.e. not on the playground.

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I had nearly apologized for being unfair to you Seabass. My first thought watching Sowell's interviews with some white guy was christ, these old white fuckers are going to love this guy --and they do, and it's cringe to watch-- but I have to check the temptation to discount Sowell, especially by using his race.

I haven't discounted him by using his race. I haven't discounted him at all. Don't confuse you ignoring the rest of my criticism choosing instead to fixate on two words, with me discounting him.

My point from my first utterance of that phrase was that RACISTS love him because he is useful to them. Why do you think Cunt likes to cite him and Candace Owens after someone points out that he's just used a racist argument?

[Sean Hayden]

Ten of the most noteworthy House Negroes in America

It’s about that time field hands. Time to reveal my infamous list of the ten most influential and powerful House Negroes in America.

So without further ado, let’s get to it. (Not necessarily in order of importance)

1. Clarence Thomas. (I know I said that this list is not necessarily in order of importance, but it would be harder to make a case for a more powerful House Negro than Uncle Clarence. This Negro sits on the highest court in the land, and he has been been making rulings to enact laws that would strip rights away from regular folks for years.)

2. Daniel Cameron. (This Negro has some things in common with Uncle Clarence, which tends to shed some light on his self- hatred. Anywhoo, if you didn’t catch his Me is different from them other Negroes Massa speech at the RNC, you might have seen him on stage making excuses for the state killing of a young Black woman as Kentucky’s state Attorney General. Mitch McConnell apparently groomed this dude to be his own personal Stephen for years to come. He is off to a great start.)

3. Jason Whitlock. ( Jason is that Negro who thinks that he is smarter than the rest of us Negroes, and he believes that he can always prove it by coming up with a contrarian position on issues that effects us Black folks. Particularly in the world of sports. He is a poor journalist whose only claim to fame is being hated on by every Black athlete in America.

4. Candace Owens. (The words race traitor comes to mind when I think about this sister. She is an activist for Donald trump, which is like saying that she is a turkey who loves Thanksgiving. She has zero intellectual skills, and even less logical thinking abilities, and yet white folks in certain quarters love her because they can always use her as that one Black person who agrees with their backwards positions on issues of race. Candace used to be on the other side of the ideological spectrum, until she decided that there were too many folks to compete with, and there was more money to be made jigging in the house..

5. Terry Crews. (This Negro wanted us declare that Black lives are not better. Duh! I swear some Negroes just don’t get it.)

6. Kanye West. ( I almost feel bad for putting this Negro on this list because of his mental health issues. Almost. Sadly, his dangerous game of casting himself as a third party candidate for president, when he knows all that is at stake in this upcoming election, says to me that he isn’t as crazy as we all think he is. He is smart enough to know just how much to jig.)

7. Charles Barkley. (Charles confuses me. Sometimes he acts like he wants to get out of the house and get down with the rest of us in the fields, and then he says some dumb s**t like Breonna Taylor’s case is different than George Floyd’s case, and he doesn’t want to”lump them together”. What?! All that casino smoke must be finally getting to Chuck.)

8. Stacey Dash. Stacey is another one of these white apologists who has gotten more famous for being a House Negro than for being what she is supposed to be doing in life, which is act. Ironically, her biggest role was in a movie called Clueless. Now that’s fitting.

9. Diamond & Silk. (Cooning is a lost art, but these two are here to bring it back.)

10. Herman Cain. (I know that he is no longer with us, and I hate to speak ill of the dead. But come on Herman, when you give up your life to be in the house, you deserve to be on this list.)

https://newpittsburghcourier.com/2020/0 ... n-america/

He forgot Obama.

What a fucking mess.

[Sean Hayden]

Wait, so now you're saying a common understanding of the term is limited to the playground? Again, do you think calling educated blacks "white" is far removed from the term house negro, or that they share a different origin? 'Oh look at x, he's talking like the master now...'

Of course ‘house negro’ is a racial slur
It is incredible that anyone would pretend otherwise.

The divide-and-rule tactic on the plantation – separating the light and dark slaves – was clever. It prevented uprisings. The house slaves didn’t want to lose their privileges and favours. They felt superior for being light and had the master’s ear.

Understandably, the field negroes were resentful of the house negroes and their desirability, however artificial. This dynamic, I stress, still exists today. It is one of the many reasons why being black (of whatever hue) in the West is never straightforward. White people don’t have to think about these things. It comes with the privilege of being white. But I digress.

Make no mistake, house negro can only ever be an insult and it can only be directed at black people. It is a racial slur. How the black academic Kehinde Andrews can now claim that it is anything other than a racial slur is baffling. I can only assume that he dislikes Robinson so much that he is willing to defend an Indian woman throwing a racial slur at a black man. That, or perhaps Kehinde has internalised this dark-skin, light-skin divide. As Bob Marley says, we would all do well to free ourselves from this mental slavery.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/08/2 ... cial-slur/

The argument is less important than who is making it here i.e. not on the playground.

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I had nearly apologized for being unfair to you Seabass. My first thought watching Sowell's interviews with some white guy was christ, these old white fuckers are going to love this guy --and they do, and it's cringe to watch-- but I have to check the temptation to discount Sowell, especially by using his race.

I haven't discounted him by using his race. I haven't discounted him at all. Don't confuse you ignoring the rest of my criticism choosing instead to fixate on two words, with me discounting him.

My point from my first utterance of that phrase was that RACISTS love him because he is useful to them. Why do you think Cunt likes to cite him and Candace Owens after someone points out that he's just used a racist argument?

So he's a house negro because your political opponents find him useful? You can't be responsible for all your fans.

Fuck the idea that he holds his opinions due to weakness or a desire to ingratiate himself to whites. It's those attitudes and the people that hold them that are screwed up.

[Seabass]

Wait, so now you're saying a common understanding of the term is limited to the playground? Again, do you think calling educated blacks "white" is far removed from the term house negro, or that they share a different origin? 'Oh look at x, he's talking like the master now...'

Of course ‘house negro’ is a racial slur
It is incredible that anyone would pretend otherwise.

The divide-and-rule tactic on the plantation – separating the light and dark slaves – was clever. It prevented uprisings. The house slaves didn’t want to lose their privileges and favours. They felt superior for being light and had the master’s ear.

Understandably, the field negroes were resentful of the house negroes and their desirability, however artificial. This dynamic, I stress, still exists today. It is one of the many reasons why being black (of whatever hue) in the West is never straightforward. White people don’t have to think about these things. It comes with the privilege of being white. But I digress.

Make no mistake, house negro can only ever be an insult and it can only be directed at black people. It is a racial slur. How the black academic Kehinde Andrews can now claim that it is anything other than a racial slur is baffling. I can only assume that he dislikes Robinson so much that he is willing to defend an Indian woman throwing a racial slur at a black man. That, or perhaps Kehinde has internalised this dark-skin, light-skin divide. As Bob Marley says, we would all do well to free ourselves from this mental slavery.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/08/2 ... cial-slur/

The argument is less important than who is making it here i.e. not on the playground.

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I had nearly apologized for being unfair to you Seabass. My first thought watching Sowell's interviews with some white guy was christ, these old white fuckers are going to love this guy --and they do, and it's cringe to watch-- but I have to check the temptation to discount Sowell, especially by using his race.

I haven't discounted him by using his race. I haven't discounted him at all. Don't confuse you ignoring the rest of my criticism choosing instead to fixate on two words, with me discounting him.

My point from my first utterance of that phrase was that RACISTS love him because he is useful to them. Why do you think Cunt likes to cite him and Candace Owens after someone points out that he's just used a racist argument?

So he's a house negro because your political opponents find him useful? You can't be responsible for all your fans.

Are you capable of not distorting what I say? Read it again:

"Sowell is an insane revisionist. It's no wonder that he is every American racist's favorite house negro."
That is to say, from the perspective of American racists, he is useful.
I followed that with a quote from Wiki that says that he denies the existence of systemic racism, and another paragraph that outlines his support for Donald Trump, who is a racist.
http://www.rationalia.com/forum/viewtop ... 7#p1919087

Fuck the idea that he holds his opinions due to weakness or a desire to ingratiate himself to whites. It's those attitudes and the people that hold them that are screwed up.

Non sequitur. I've never said anything like that. Can you stop putting words in my mouth? Is it so hard to go back a couple pages to see what I actually said?

African-American activist Malcolm X commented on the cultural connotations and consequences of the term in his 1963 speech "Message to the Grass Roots", wherein he explained that during slavery there were two types of slaves: "house negroes" who worked in the master's house, and "field negroes" who performed outdoor manual labor. He characterized the house negro as having a better life than the field negro, and thus being unwilling to leave the plantation and potentially more likely to support existing power structures that favored whites over blacks. Malcolm X identified with the field negro.

http://www.rationalia.com/forum/viewtop ... 7#p1919097
I think Thomas Sowell and Candace Owens support existing power structures because they think they benefit from them.

[Sean Hayden]

It's possible I was no longer speaking directly to you there Seabass, it's not like you calling Sowell a house negro is original. I was speaking to the hateful bullshit behind the term.

You did in fact use it though.

[Sean Hayden]

It’s time to ignore the White House Negro

So it would be easy to write off Obama and his post-presidential celebrity allowing him to settle in as the uncle (Tom) of the nation. But there is a deeper lesson to be learnt from the case of Obama. He couldn’t have sold out because he never made any promises. He isn’t an Uncle Tom because he never pretended to represent the Black population. Credit to him for creating a whole new category of Black political identity: the White House Negro, someone who danced, cooned, sang, shucked and jived all the way to the presidency.

To understand this we have to separate out the House Negro from the Uncle Tom. Malcolm defines the House Negro as those in a slightly better position who will do whatever they can to maintain their relative privilege including to “identify with the master more than the master identifies with himself”. Malcolm is critical of the House Negro for not being able to see the reality of their condition. But his real scorn is reserved for the Uncle Tom who is handpicked to lead the Black masses astray, relishing their role in representing the race into oblivion. Candance Owens is the perfect recent example of Black skin, White racism. The Tom has to go but the House Negro is a victim of their circumstance and therefore can be redeemed. The truth is that in order to become president, Obama had to do everything we are critical of him doing. Any hint of a Black agenda and he would never have been voted in, let alone serve a second term or even make it to the end of his presidency. Obama wasn’t the problem, the White House was. The clue is in the name; the purpose of the president is to maintain White supremacy. Obama did the seemingly impossible because he didn’t rock the boat.

To try and keep my promise to my mum I want to stress that this is not a criticism of Obama, it is an indictment of us. He isn’t the issue, it is our expectation that any president could ever take the interests of Black people seriously that needs to be condemned.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/make-it-pl ... negro/amp/

[Brian Peacock]

... but I have to check the temptation to discount Sowell, especially by using his race.

Indeed. A critique of his politics is enough.

[Seabass]

... but I have to check the temptation to discount Sowell, especially by using his race.

Indeed. A critique of his politics is enough.

I didn't discount him, FFS. I posted several criticisms of Sowell, only to have Sean ignore all of it and instead fixate on two fucking words to make as much hay out of as possible in order to score points against me.

A paraphrase of the sentence in question would be something like:
"It’s no wonder that American racists love him because they can use him as a shield to fend off accusations of racism. 'Hey I can’t be racist, Sewell agrees with me!'"

[Brian Peacock]

Try not to make it personal mate. I think we're all trying to talk about these things in good faith.

[Seabass]

Try not to make it personal mate. I think we're all trying to talk about these things in good faith.

Are we all though? It doesn't feel that way to me.

[Brian Peacock]

I think we are at least. We should be able to discuss this, and disagree, and still be charitable with each other.

[Seabass]

I think we are at least. We should be able to discuss this, and disagree, and still be charitable with each other.

Yes, we should be. It certainly would be nice if it were possible.

[Seabass]

Try not to make it personal mate. I think we're all trying to talk about these things in good faith.

Ok, wait a minute, why are you telling me not to make it personal? Sean's the one who thinks I'm Louis Farrakhan. I'm not racist against white people. I'm anti-racist.

[Brian Peacock]

I'm just trying to take a bit of the sting out of the discussion - I think it'd be more useful, informative, productive. I'm not singling you out mate - just trying to be helpfup coz I think discussions like this and the white privilege one are really important.

[Sean Hayden]

I reacted to your use of house negro because it bothers me. If you can't imagine why and must resort to thinking I'm picking on you that's unfortunate. But I would remind you that I expressed an understanding of your feelings, only stopping short of apologizing because I can't stand your need to establish yourself as an authority in our discussions e.g. I've read the books, I've literally never heard that connotation, fine, maybe on the playground, I expect people to know the meaning of words, quote mine, quote mine!

---christ, and now I'm the guy scoring points?