Republicans: continued

[Cunt]

https://t.me/JamesOKeefeIII/2570

VIDEO: Donations to WinRed, the Republican counterpart to Act Blue, don't add up: The top donor in NJ says she did not give $154k to WinRed, despite what FEC data says. "I can't imagine that I did that. That's like impossible."

The FEC says she donated over 10,000 times, but she told us she only gives a few bucks to WinRed a couple times a month.

Retirees reportedly are giving hundreds of thousands a year in tiny amounts. OMG looks for answers.

Wow! So the reds are just as corrupt as the blues!

Someone quick - discredit O'Keefe again!

[pErvinalia]

You can't trust the FEC. Three letter organisation..

[Tero]

Cunt seemed to ask me for "acceptance" of people on the "other side." Republicans. Trump voters. No, I cannot put any kind of friendship label on any trump voter I meet. Excluding people I knew before 2016. It may be Trump's fault partly, but these people do not grasp rule of law and democracy. They are on a mission from god.

These people are nuts.
https://newrepublic.com/post/176548/mic ... pping-plot
Uh, WTF? Michigan Republican Awards Two Men Acquitted in Whitmer Kidnapping Plot
A Michigan Republican lawmaker seems to be encouraging political violence with this tribute.

[L'Emmerdeur]

The new Republican Speaker of the House is quoting shameless liar for Jesus David Barton to justify his Dominionism. That's how to Make America Great Again--make it a theocracy. At least he's not one of those horrible Democratic politicians!

... Johnson quotes John Adams, who wrote in a letter that “Our Constitution is made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate for government of any other.” He doesn’t note that, in his duties as president, Adams signed the Treaty of Tripoli, which stated quite clearly that “the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.”

The first quote, which he leans on heavily, is the private expression of a single man; the second is an official government position in a binding treaty that was launched by Washington, signed by Adams and ratified by a U.S. Senate whose ranks were half-filled with men who crafted the Constitution. Which one is more indicative of “the Founders”?

And that’s a key point here. When the Religious Right tries to engage us in a game of “quote/counterquote,” we should look past the varied and often contradictory words of the Founding Fathers — who were often said contradictory things because they were, you know, arguing with each other — and instead focus on the actual deeds that they accomplished as one.

Don’t listen to a cherry-picked Adams quote about who the Constitution was written for, look at what the Constitution actually says! The only mentions of religion in there are measures that keep religion and government at arm’s length from each other — no religious tests for office holders, no establishment of a national religion, no interference with individuals’ rights to worship or not as they saw fit. That is what the Founders actually wanted.

But Johnson, selling the same snake oil as David Barton, hand waves past all that to imply that the Founders unanimously agreed that Americans had to be religious and that their common government — so carefully constructed to keep religion out of it, and it out of religion — was actually a religious compact in which “there has to be a consensus on virtue and morality,” a consensus which Mike Johnson would surely think embodied his own personal brand of faith.

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[Brian Peacock]

Yesh. America does have a national religion, but it's not Christianity - it's Guns.

[Cunt]

Cunt seemed to ask me for "acceptance" of people on the "other side."

Yes, that's what I was asking about. I'm glad I don't have to 'other' someone just because of their vote, their stance on issues, or their resistance to the far-left ideologies.

Especially because I think division is a tool used for bad reasons.

Republicans. Trump voters. No, I cannot put any kind of friendship label on any trump voter I meet. Excluding people I knew before 2016. It may be Trump's fault partly, but these people do not grasp rule of law and democracy. They are on a mission from god.

Watch out for the next 'current thing'. Both sides are on a mission from god (or -od) and whatever the facts, division will be sowed, and you may find yourself tempted to reduce your personal community further.

[pErvinalia]

Especially because I think division is a tool used for bad reasons.
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Says the guy who divides everything into extreme far left and Republicans

[L'Emmerdeur]

The 'both sides on a mission from god' schtick is particularly ridiculous coming two posts after the article showing that the new Republican Speaker of the House is an open Dominionist. Yapping about 'far left extremists' in the Democratic Party (always conveniently unnamed) while the Republicans have put in a leader who's pushing for a theocracy.

[rasetsu]

The 'both sides on a mission from god' schtick is particularly ridiculous coming two posts after the article showing that the new Republican Speaker of the House is an open Dominionist. Yapping about 'far left extremists' in the Democratic Party (always conveniently unnamed) while the Republicans have put in a leader who is pushing for a theocracy.

Republicans have been using the belief that "everybody does it" to excuse any and all bad acts by Republicans. Alongsides the "both sides" and "two sides to every story" tropes, they cover any and all failings. But these narratives seem like little more than projection. They can't imagine themselves being moral and truthful, so in their minds, nobody else can be either. Followed by "everybody does it" it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

[Cunt]

The 'both sides on a mission from god' schtick is particularly ridiculous coming two posts after the article showing that the new Republican Speaker of the House is an open Dominionist. Yapping about 'far left extremists' in the Democratic Party (always conveniently unnamed) while the Republicans have put in a leader who's pushing for a theocracy.

Yes. No-one can name the 'far left extremists'. Even you.

I remember when it was suggested that the best place for criticism of Islam would come from muslims.

But the whole left wing, AND you, cannot describe the 'far-left-extremists' because of reasons we are left to guess at.

[Tero]

I don't define it as extremists to allow abortion, for example. It is you that aborts your fetus, not the government.

Nobody took away your gas car by subsidizing electric cars.

[Cunt]

I don't define it as extremists

You could have stopped it there.

You don't define extremists. (unless they are in the opposing party)

[L'Emmerdeur]

The 'both sides on a mission from god' schtick is particularly ridiculous coming two posts after the article showing that the new Republican Speaker of the House is an open Dominionist. Yapping about 'far left extremists' in the Democratic Party (always conveniently unnamed) while the Republicans have put in a leader who is pushing for a theocracy.

Republicans have been using the belief that "everybody does it" to excuse any and all bad acts by Republicans. Alongsides the "both sides" and "two sides to every story" tropes, they cover any and all failings. But these narratives seem like little more than projection. They can't imagine themselves being moral and truthful, so in their minds, nobody else can be either. Followed by "everybody does it" it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I'm inclined to think that for your average Republican the narrative is a bit different. They've been listening to lying blowhards like Limbaugh, Levin, Hannity, and Carlson for years. Not to forget regional right-wing talk radio hosts, who are ubiquitous. The audience has had it drummed into them that the Democrats 'hate America' and are determined to destroy it from within. Such demons are of course completely without scruples, and so they must be opposed by any means.

In addition they see the country turning away from some of their core beliefs, and are desperate to hold onto the days when they could be comfortable in their casual bigotry. Also significant: God is on their side, so they can do no wrong, per the Christian who apparently believes that as a Christian he has a right to lie and not be called out for it.

[L'Emmerdeur]

The 'both sides on a mission from god' schtick is particularly ridiculous coming two posts after the article showing that the new Republican Speaker of the House is an open Dominionist. Yapping about 'far left extremists' in the Democratic Party (always conveniently unnamed) while the Republicans have put in a leader who's pushing for a theocracy.

Yes. No-one can name the 'far left extremists'. Even you.

It is your thesis, the burden of evidence is yours. If you believe that there are far left extremists in the Democratic Party it is for you to support that claim. You could begin by delineating what you believe to be 'far left extremism.' We could look at the progressive members of the Democratic Party, like Tlaib, or Ocasio-Cortez. In my opinion they aren't far left extremists, but maybe you think differently. If so you could list the beliefs expressed by these people that you think show them to be far left extremists.

When I think of far left, I think of anarcho-syndicalism and Marxist communism. No Democrat expresses that sort of political philosophy. Your mileage may vary, but it's for you to explain what you mean.

I remember when it was suggested that the best place for criticism of Islam would come from muslims.

But the whole left wing, AND you, cannot describe the 'far-left-extremists' because of reasons we are left to guess at.

I just described what I see as far left.

But let's remember that you've decided to harp about 'far left extremism' in a thread about the Republican Party. Why is that? Are you unable to address the actual Christian Dominionism that is ascendant in the party?

[rasetsu]

The 'both sides on a mission from god' schtick is particularly ridiculous coming two posts after the article showing that the new Republican Speaker of the House is an open Dominionist. Yapping about 'far left extremists' in the Democratic Party (always conveniently unnamed) while the Republicans have put in a leader who is pushing for a theocracy.

Republicans have been using the belief that "everybody does it" to excuse any and all bad acts by Republicans. Alongsides the "both sides" and "two sides to every story" tropes, they cover any and all failings. But these narratives seem like little more than projection. They can't imagine themselves being moral and truthful, so in their minds, nobody else can be either. Followed by "everybody does it" it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I'm inclined to think that for your average Republican the narrative is a bit different. They've been listening to lying blowhards like Limbaugh, Levin, Hannity, and Carlson for years. Not to forget regional right-wing talk radio hosts, who are ubiquitous. The audience has had it drummed into them that the Democrats 'hate America' and are determined to destroy it from within. Such demons are of course completely without scruples, and so they must be opposed by any means.

In addition they see the country turning away from some of their core beliefs, and are desperate to hold onto the days when they could be comfortable in their casual bigotry. Also significant: God is on their side, so they can do no wrong, per the Christian who apparently believes that as a Christian he has a right to lie and not be called out for it.

In using there are always two.
The manipulator dances with a partner who cons herself.
There are lies that glow so brightly we consent
to give a finger and then an arm
to let them burn.

excerpt from "Song of the Fucked Duck"
Marge Piercy