my turn to criticize Cuba

[sandinista]

This is pathetic. On a few levels. Obviously, strengthening "Church-state relations" runs counter to any revolutionary ideas (with the exception of perhaps liberation theology...which the catholic church, ironically, opposed). On another level, this article reads like a positive article regarding Cuba. Leave it to the media to actually congratulate a country on increasing their level of mystical over rational thought.

The head of the Roman Catholic Church in Cuba, Cardinal Jaime Ortega, had warm words for Mr Castro and his brother Fidel during the opening of the new San Carlos and San Ambrosio seminary on Wednesday.

"In the name of the Church, I thank both the former president, as well as current President Raul Castro, who honours us with his presence, for the state's support of this work," Cardinal Ortega said.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-11692404

[james1v]

Funny how people get religion, when they get nearer the end...

[Trolldor]

They already had a religion, they just added a god,

[Robert_S]

Earlier this year, President Raul Castro, facing growing international pressure, turned to the Catholic Church to help arrange the release of 52 political prisoners.

Under the agreement, the government promised to free - by 8 November - 52 political prisoners imprisoned in 2003 after a crackdown on opposition activists, government critics and commentators.

So far, 39 have flown to Spain, along with members of their families. However, seven of the 13 dissidents still in prison have rejected the Church deal because they do not want to leave Cuba.

I have heard one commentator speculate that it is easier to let the church take credit for negotiating the release of those prisoners than the US.

[sandinista]

They already had a religion, they just added a god,

and what would that be? Fidel...if so, that's BS and you know it.

[JimC]

The current regime in Cuba, whatever occasional surface animosities might occur, has always co-operated with the catholic church and vice versa. They both helped each other's authority in the eyes of the masses... No surprise in this article at all...

[sandinista]

The current regime in Cuba, whatever occasional surface animosities might occur, has always co-operated with the catholic church and vice versa. They both helped each other's authority in the eyes of the masses... No surprise in this article at all...

No surprise, just sad.

[Coito ergo sum]

The cost of cleanliness will rise in Cuba after its cash-strapped, communist government announced Wednesday that soap, toothpaste and detergent will be slashed from monthly ration books.

Cuba's official Gazette said that effective Jan. 1, "personal cleanliness products" will join a growing list of products cut from the ration books that islanders have come to rely on for a small but steady supply of basic goods.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20101230/D9KDTGO80.html

Can't buy their own soap, toothpaste and laundry detergent, but they have the best health care system in the world....lol

[sandinista]

The cost of cleanliness will rise in Cuba after its cash-strapped, communist government announced Wednesday that soap, toothpaste and detergent will be slashed from monthly ration books.

Cuba's official Gazette said that effective Jan. 1, "personal cleanliness products" will join a growing list of products cut from the ration books that islanders have come to rely on for a small but steady supply of basic goods.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20101230/D9KDTGO80.html

Can't buy their own soap, toothpaste and laundry detergent, but they have the best health care system in the world....lol

better than not being able to by your own soap, toothpaste and laundry AND not having free healthcare.

[Coito ergo sum]

The cost of cleanliness will rise in Cuba after its cash-strapped, communist government announced Wednesday that soap, toothpaste and detergent will be slashed from monthly ration books.

Cuba's official Gazette said that effective Jan. 1, "personal cleanliness products" will join a growing list of products cut from the ration books that islanders have come to rely on for a small but steady supply of basic goods.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20101230/D9KDTGO80.html

Can't buy their own soap, toothpaste and laundry detergent, but they have the best health care system in the world....lol

better than not being able to by your own soap, toothpaste and laundry AND not having free healthcare.

Says a lot for their system...

...and nothing is ever "free." The most that can be said it is at no cost at point of service provision...somebody has to pay for it, absent slavery throughout the entire health care industry from those who make the equipment, to those who provide the services.

[sandinista]

The cost of cleanliness will rise in Cuba after its cash-strapped, communist government announced Wednesday that soap, toothpaste and detergent will be slashed from monthly ration books.

Cuba's official Gazette said that effective Jan. 1, "personal cleanliness products" will join a growing list of products cut from the ration books that islanders have come to rely on for a small but steady supply of basic goods.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20101230/D9KDTGO80.html

Can't buy their own soap, toothpaste and laundry detergent, but they have the best health care system in the world....lol

better than not being able to by your own soap, toothpaste and laundry AND not having free healthcare.

Says a lot for their system...

...and nothing is ever "free." The most that can be said it is at no cost at point of service provision...somebody has to pay for it, absent slavery throughout the entire health care industry from those who make the equipment, to those who provide the services.

[Coito ergo sum]

The cost of cleanliness will rise in Cuba after its cash-strapped, communist government announced Wednesday that soap, toothpaste and detergent will be slashed from monthly ration books.

Cuba's official Gazette said that effective Jan. 1, "personal cleanliness products" will join a growing list of products cut from the ration books that islanders have come to rely on for a small but steady supply of basic goods.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20101230/D9KDTGO80.html

Can't buy their own soap, toothpaste and laundry detergent, but they have the best health care system in the world....lol

better than not being able to by your own soap, toothpaste and laundry AND not having free healthcare.

Says a lot for their system...

...and nothing is ever "free." The most that can be said it is at no cost at point of service provision...somebody has to pay for it, absent slavery throughout the entire health care industry from those who make the equipment, to those who provide the services.

LOL - you like economic systems where the government has to cut funding for state provided soap, toothpaste and laundry detergent... they're cutting that from the "monthly ration" of "food and groceries" that people get in Cuba...that's the society you think is awesome....

[sandinista]

so, you want me to sit here and type all the negatives of the "society you like"? again...

[Coito ergo sum]

so, you want me to sit here and type all the negatives of the "society you like"? again...

Whatever you want - we all know it's better here than in Cuba. That's why they won't let their citizens leave, and nobody wants to go there to live.


A cable released by WikiLeaks prove that Dr. Ferrer was right: "[T]he memo reveals that when the film was shown to a group of Cuban doctors, some became so “disturbed at the blatant misrepresentation of healthcare in Cuba that they left the room”.
Castro’s government apparently went on to ban the film because, the leaked cable claims, it “knows the film is a myth and does not want to risk a popular backlash by showing to Cubans facilities that are clearly not available to the vast majority of them." http://www.buzzbox.com/news/2010-12-29/ ... Id=2820940

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pqv5ABQ ... A&index=10[/youtube]

[sandinista]

so, you want me to sit here and type all the negatives of the "society you like"? again...

Whatever you want - we all know it's better here than in Cuba. That's why they won't let their citizens leave, and nobody wants to go there to live.


Wow, that is one weak ass analysis. "it's better here than in Cuba" :sighsm: Wow, brilliant. Here's another. It's better to live in the suburbs than to be homeless. Genius eh. How bout this, uh...it's better to be a CEO than a janitor.