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Pick this analogy apart, please.

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Jan 16, 2011 4:09 pm

I'm not interested in defining this idea to the death, I'm just wondering if has any plausibility. So feel free to chew it up and spit it out.

Imagine there is an extremely complex machine, an thermonuclear bomb. It is in a stable state and following it's own "rules".

Then, it explodes.

In place of the largely static machine we now have an extremely energetic system that rapidly changes as it goes through the various stages of an uncontrolled nuclear reaction.

We have here two "states" that are very different. Unless we can understand the construction of a bomb we don't know what went before the explosion. And we can understand very little of the bomb design with only the explosion to study.

Anybody see where I'm going with this?
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Post by FBM » Sun Jan 16, 2011 4:15 pm

No fucking clue. As usual. Hoping for Pyongyang, tho.
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Post by Mysturji » Sun Jan 16, 2011 4:17 pm

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Re: Pick this analogy apart, please.

Post by Rob » Sun Jan 16, 2011 4:18 pm

I get where you're going and at a quick glance it seems okay, though I don't like referring to it as a bomb, since from my current understand there most likely was no bang.
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Re: Pick this analogy apart, please.

Post by cowiz » Sun Jan 16, 2011 4:24 pm

That's a Heinlein story
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Jan 16, 2011 4:24 pm

ScienceRob wrote:I get where you're going and at a quick glance it seems okay, though I don't like referring to it as a bomb, since from my current understand there most likely was no bang.
I'm using the bomb to represent the unknowable complexity of "what went before". I happen to be an expert on the construction of atomic bombs. I've read The Sum of All Fears three times!
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Jan 16, 2011 4:25 pm

pawiz wrote:That's a Heinlein story
Which one? I may want to steal some more of it.
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Re: Pick this analogy apart, please.

Post by tattuchu » Sun Jan 16, 2011 4:26 pm

Yup, I like your analogy. But is a thermonuclear bomb (and the corresponding pre-Big Bang universe) necessarily extremely complex? :ask:
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Re: Pick this analogy apart, please.

Post by tattuchu » Sun Jan 16, 2011 4:27 pm

p.s. I picked your analogy apart, ate the bits I liked, and pushed the rest to the side of my plate. May I now be excused from the table? :awesome:
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Re: Pick this analogy apart, please.

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Jan 16, 2011 4:27 pm

tattuchu wrote:Yup, I like your analogy. But is a thermonuclear bomb (and the corresponding pre-Big Bang universe) necessarily extremely complex? :ask:
Is it just right, too complex or not complex enough? Who knows?
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Re: Pick this analogy apart, please.

Post by Tero » Sun Jan 16, 2011 4:36 pm

What is this "before" you talk about? There is only now.
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Re: Pick this analogy apart, please.

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Jan 16, 2011 4:37 pm

Tero wrote:What is this "before" you talk about? There is only now.
Except that the now you refer to is in my past.
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Post by cowiz » Sun Jan 16, 2011 4:58 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:
pawiz wrote:That's a Heinlein story
Which one? I may want to steal some more of it.
"Solution Unsatisfactory" from "Expanded Universe"
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Re: Pick this analogy apart, please.

Post by Deep Sea Isopod » Sun Jan 16, 2011 6:18 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:I'm not interested in defining this idea to the death, I'm just wondering if has any plausibility. So feel free to chew it up and spit it out.

Imagine there is an extremely complex machine, an thermonuclear bomb. It is in a stable state and following it's own "rules".
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Re: Pick this analogy apart, please.

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Jan 16, 2011 7:29 pm

pawiz wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:
pawiz wrote:That's a Heinlein story
Which one? I may want to steal some more of it.
"Solution Unsatisfactory" from "Expanded Universe"
Thanks, I need to steal a copy of that book now.
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