Mr Newton's Classroom

[LucidFlight]

He uses capitals for many words, because they're very, very special...

The Quantum Energy Crystals tell him which words are special enough...

Ohhh! I see. That might also explain "Came", then. "Intelligence Came."

[hackenslash]

Speaking of which, I just returned from the World Blindfolded Masturbation Championships. I don't know where I came...


BTW, hardlyableson, I await your pleasure regarding the demolition of your demonstrated ignorance of the science you 'heard about' in the other place. Whenever you're ready.

[hackenslash]

For now, you're a hack.

Oi! I resemble that remark!

[Brain Man]

1) What did you mean by "Just Paramecium,"? Are you saying that is the only conscious thing in my list (above)?

2) Can you please post some references for the info about MicroTubules walking and searching for food?

3) No, Intelligence Came after Intelligence, and the God which I believe exists is the one described by the Book of Adam and Eve, of Enoch, and the writings of David, of Moses, Jesus, Muhammad, another person named Enoch from the 1900's, and other sources of stories about the one true God which created our existence.

That is my God. The simple belief in that Gods Existence, along with a life full of doing good works, is the path to Heaven according to Christian, Islamic, and many other religions.

The Free Masons also require a belief in a creator God (a Grand Architect), but they do not discuss religion or politics in their meetings for good reason.

I figured out how a pattern of momentum -of the most basic forces -pressure in motion, could react to form the pattern known as The Flower of Life, which represents the actual shape of matter (seen above and at freeornottobe.org at the bottom of The Genesis of Relativity).

During that process I figured that pure and simply, consciousness is simply a system of fields of energy which are all mutually inductive, or in other words, whatever happens to one, is felt by the whole. That is what first formed consciousness, before emotions, creativity, free will, or intelligence (which each formed in that order).

Before that I had realized that the simplest matter is an Electron and a Proton (forming one Hydrogen atom), which is two opposite waves of pressure (- & +), each with three axis of angular momentum, making eight important factors.

For that matter to first be formed, there needed to be a more complex system of energy waves to form six eddy currents together in just the right way. Mathematically it requires more vectors to make Hydrogen than the six or eight in Hydrogen.

This level of complexity is greater than the simplest form of Consciousness, and according to my theory, matter came very soom after Free Will, and the Intelligence of God increases with time, because the entire Physical Universe is the Physical Body of God, and the sub-conscious mind of God is all of the Brains alive today (as if each brain is one of Gods Brain-Cells). It all follows that fractal pattern of spherical dipole fields called the flower of life.

ok i was not sure where you were coming from. A lot of people think god is some kind of superintelligence out in space. You are really referring to a type of universe wide magnetic field that is atomic in nature. although how can matter come after free will ?

Consciousness does not require a lot. Some people like prof hameroff say it starts at parmecium

i.e. http://www.quantumconsciousness.org/views/freewill.html

however the scientists actively working on consciousness he has as guest speakers at his conferences point out consciousness requires active recurrent feedback between different systems. That rules out parmecium and jumps us up to fish at least.

[Brain Man]

For now, you're a hack.

Oi! I resemble that remark!

what are you doing here slackenhash !! he he i can say it as many times as i feel like..

[Brain Man]

SLACKENHASH !!

[harleyborgais]

OOPS, I did mean this:

3) No, Intelligence Came after Consciousness

[harleyborgais]

I use capital letters to accent words of greater significance.

[harleyborgais]

JimC, You are again wasting space on this thread. I have already told you to stick to what youre good at, being: "serious about gin".

Phrases like this: "Quantum Energy Crystals" is what I am talking about when I say you are not prepared for this discussion.

At least slackenhash has shown some intelligence on: http://www.rationalskepticism.org/pseud ... 2-180.html...

But what constructive criticism have you (JimC) contributed?

Have you JimC posted one single intelligent response to anything?

[Hermit]

Have you JimC posted one single intelligent response to anything?

He's probably waiting for a single intelligent post by any of you three main contributors to reply to.

[JimC]

Have you JimC posted one single intelligent response to anything?

He's probably waiting for a single intelligent post by any of you three main contributors to reply to.

Spot on.

Looney pseudo science needs sarcastic derision, not earnest discussion...

I'm sure there are some Special Forums out there, where your tender sensibilities will not be disturbed by my cruel jibes...

Google is your friend...

[harleyborgais]

A lot of people think god is some kind of superintelligence out in space. You are really referring to a type of universe wide magnetic field that is atomic in nature. although how can matter come after free will ?

Consciousness does not require a lot. Some people like prof hameroff say it starts at parmecium

i.e. http://www.quantumconsciousness.org/views/freewill.html

however the scientists actively working on consciousness he has as guest speakers at his conferences point out consciousness requires active recurrent feedback between different systems. That rules out parmecium and jumps us up to fish at least.

---NOTICE EVERYONE WHO IS CRITICAL, THIS IS A REAL SCIENTIFIC DISCUSSION, USING REASON, LOGIC, MANNERS, REFERENCES, ETC.----- For those of you who are not doing this, please quit wasting our time, and space.


I would say that the above description of what consciousness requires is the same as what I was saying: Consciousness is: a system of Mutually Inductive Fields of Energy.

That is just a scientific way of saying, whatever effects one field is experienced by all fields in the system. In Human Brains, these fields are analogous to Neurons.

Correct if I am wrong, but Doesn't a single Neuron store a single Bioelectric field, and doesn't the brain store memories using several neurons in the way holographs do, with interference patterns?

In that way the brain stores memories across several neurons, but each neuron holds a bit (however that 'Bit' is more complicated than a simple 1 or 0). Also in this way, when up to 3/4 of the brain of a salamander was removed, the remaining 1/4 was able to restore its function (just like a piece of holographic film still contains the entire image).


As far as Free Will, I explain in "How We Exist" (at: freeornottobe.org) how Creativity provides the ability to imagine future events or activities which are not purely from memory. In other words, it is creativity that allows us to invent, create unique art, and to not just predict the future, but to change it. This is the origin of what we call Free Will. Other animals do not have the ability to diverge from what they have observed. Primates other than Humans paint only what they have seen. Animals which build do only what they have been shown, or what they have figured out step by step.

Granted this is also how most Human creations came to be, but there are many examples of invention, art, and innovation which no animal can match (other than Humans).

Simple Consciousness does not require Creativity or Free will because animals are just a conscious as we are.


BrainMan, why does this: "consciousness requires active recurrent feedback between different systems", rule out paramecium, and jump us up to fish as the simplest conscious entity? (I know the answer is a bit complicated)

As for this: "universe wide magnetic field that is atomic in nature", I would say yes, God is by nature composed of Magnetic Dipoles because everything (including minds, and thoughts) are dipoles fundamentally, however, I would not say that God is atomic in nature. I would say that all atoms (the Entire Universe) is the Body of God, which was created by God, for the purpose of increasing variability of experience, or in other words, to make living more enjoyable (variety is the spice of life).

[JimC]

harleyborgais wrote:

...God is by nature composed of Magnetic Dipoles...

Unitarians, of course, would argue for the mystical Monopole...



If there was an Olympics for producing turgid, meaningless gibberish you would be in with a chance...

Special Olympics, come to think of it...

[Hermit]

THIS IS A REAL SCIENTIFIC DISCUSSION

It's real alright. Scientific? Not.

I'm sure there are some Special Forums out there, where your tender sensibilities will not be disturbed by my cruel jibes...

May I suggest ATS? If you took away its conspiracy aspect it would be a perfect fit for this train wreck of a thread.

[harleyborgais]

So why do I think Consciousness arose before matter?


The simplest stable matter is the Hydrogen atom (don't tell me it is Electrons or Protons, because they automatically combine into H).

The number of forces (or important factors) forming Hydrogen are Eight: Three axis of Angular momentum, times two particles, plus two opposite charges (-&+).

The number of Forces required to cause these Eight simultaneous forces is greater than Eight (It's at least Eight plus one more for each of the six axis, because each angle of motion is one linear direction combined with one transverse direction). That makes at least 14 necessary factors to create the first piece of matter.

The number of required factors to represent the simplest form of Consciousness is however less...

By my theory: "The Genesis of Relativity, a Unifying Fractal Model of Physics"...
The simplest form of Consciousness requires; three fields of energy, each with two opposite charges (-&+), and two angles of momentum (spin and outward radiation of waves). That is a total of 12 important factors. This creates a self sustaining, and Mutually Inductive set of Energy Fields (of pure pressure in motion), which grows indefinitely in complexity, and which reacts as a whole to any and all stimuli.

Emotion then requires an additional dimension, and Creative thought requires yet another dimension (of freedom of movement of waves of energy).

This is the thing I have been searching for someone to animate. The chain reaction (causal connection) between the very first event, and the forces of nature we live in.